tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post8077786840622911320..comments2024-03-06T08:29:13.333-08:00Comments on stuff white people do: sit quietly in movie theaters, and shush those who don't (part one)macon dhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07795547197817128339noreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-54770291615994526052009-07-11T15:50:48.920-07:002009-07-11T15:50:48.920-07:00"janthonyjackson said...
By saying it is..."janthonyjackson said...<br /><br /> By saying it is something that is common to "white" culture, you are implying that it is no common to other cultures. There's no way around that."<br /><br />No. Saying "fur is common to cats" does not mean it is not also common to dogs or mice or bears. Logically speaking.<br /><br />Saying "monogamy" is common to American culture is not saying it is uncommon to others, just as saying that "chopsticks" are common to Chinese culture doesnt mean it is not also common to Japanese or Korean culture.<br /><br /><br /> " You are also implying that there is a problem with this behavioural trait. There isn't. People should be quiet in movie theaters."<br /><br />Says who? There are plenty of people who talk in theaters and enjoy talking and hearing others talk.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-36498044583824045822008-07-10T20:33:00.000-07:002008-07-10T20:33:00.000-07:00Restructure, I have no issue with you and you don'...Restructure, I have no issue with you and you don't have to note whatever extent to which you agree with me on anything. I just expect for whatever you note about me and any ad hominems I make, perceived or real, also be noted as it relates to others.<BR/><BR/>You've said several times that you didn't like/agree with my "style" and, now, this "ad hom" thing. That's not something I've seen you say about anyone else yourself, Macon or Caspie included.<BR/><BR/>You have to know that that's not something, after all those times, that I'm just going to let go.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-71498056023920170662008-07-10T20:27:00.000-07:002008-07-10T20:27:00.000-07:00Jeezus, Nquest, who died and made you boss of this...<B>Jeezus, Nquest, who died and made you boss of this blog?</B><BR/><BR/>Unintelligible.<BR/><BR/>i.e. it's impossible to make out what the hell you think you're talking about or what you think you're trying to accomplish.<BR/><BR/>I'm an obliger. I obliged Caspie's troll azz just like I'm obliging you. Prior to that, I posed questions no different than the one that started the comments here but you haven't questioned who died and made 911sajoke the boss of this blog.<BR/><BR/>That's all the negative attention you'll get from me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-35763661148613138012008-07-10T19:12:00.000-07:002008-07-10T19:12:00.000-07:00Jeezus, Nquest, who died and made you boss of this...Jeezus, Nquest, who died and made you boss of this blog?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-65816364325149547282008-07-10T19:11:00.000-07:002008-07-10T19:11:00.000-07:00Nquest, Yeah, but I think Caspie's a ridiculous tr...Nquest, <BR/><BR/>Yeah, but I think Caspie's a ridiculous troll to begin with, while what you say has substance. Thank you for arguing against the content of "express amazement when non-white people see them as white". I agree with you, but I got exhausted.<BR/><BR/>Great response to Caspie, by the way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-83941269011284964802008-07-10T18:47:00.000-07:002008-07-10T18:47:00.000-07:00Why do you perceive yourself as a punisher, Nquest...<B>Why do you perceive yourself as a punisher, Nquest?</B><BR/><BR/>Quote where I said something to that effect or STFU!!<BR/><BR/>You made a bs assumption that was easy to debunk. I don't and wouldn't have to perceive of myself as "a punisher" to tell you you're full of stupid assumptive sh*t when you claim I'm "harder" or question Macon more than I do other non-white people.<BR/><BR/>Face it. You're out of your league, in way over your head and can do nothing but say some more stupid sh*t after your previous line of stupid sh*t doesn't work for you.<BR/><BR/><BR/><B> As if Macon should be glad you used your fist instead of your belt?</B><BR/><BR/>No... it's "as if" you were stupid enough to think you could suggest/claim that I question Macon the way I do because he's White. <BR/><BR/>YOU WERE WRONG!! ... and stupid to boot.<BR/><BR/>All I simply indicated is how I've been harder on other people, particularly Black people, and haven't been particularly hard on Macon, contrary to your routine ignorance. And now you talk "AS IF" you didn't say that dumb sh*t.<BR/><BR/>Now you talk "AS IF" I said "Macon should be glad I used my fist" when I simply indicated that YOU haven't seen my "fist" or my "belt" unleashed on anyone or me being "hard", much less, "harder" on Macon.<BR/><BR/><B>You and Nquest seem so focused for whaddever reasons on dragging Macon down, tearing him down, rather than also supporting his efforts against whiteness.</B><BR/><BR/>Stop the bs. Your issue has to do with what you alluded to here about the kit gloves you extend to Macon and the fact Restructure and I don't just ignore the problematic things Macon says in his blog because, how did you say it, "because it's buy a white guy." AS IF that's something special and something for which special "handle with care" instructions are required, mandatory adherence and all.<BR/><BR/>So, actually, your issue is about Macon not getting some kind of kindler, gentler, less "hard" treatment or scrutiny because, to you, there's something worthy of not only reading "more carefully" but because the blog is "buy a white guy" it's something that we should apparently give extra care to, be more careful not to critique, etc., etc., etc.<BR/><BR/>Sorry, Caspie... I'm the same with people across the board when it comes to questioning problematic (and unfounded) claims they make. <BR/><BR/>And I don't want to hear another word about me and "ad hominems" when that's all Caspie got... I hope you hear that Restructure... Macon...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-56491998947064564742008-07-10T17:50:00.000-07:002008-07-10T17:50:00.000-07:00Restructure:I'm wondering that maybe he changed it...Restructure:<BR/><BR/><I>I'm wondering that maybe he changed it only because he knew there was something not quite right about it beforehand . . . </I><BR/><BR/>No, I didn't. The thanks I extended in a comment to you for the suggested change was sincere. I've also changed other posts in response to other commenters, and plan to continue doing so.<BR/><BR/>Please define "PR mode."macon dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07795547197817128339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-62252310266027413982008-07-10T16:18:00.000-07:002008-07-10T16:18:00.000-07:00caspie,Macon "got off easy"? Ooo, yeah, you the bi...caspie,<BR/><BR/><I>Macon "got off easy"? Ooo, yeah, you the biggest baddest whatever on the block all right. Why do you perceive yourself as a punisher, Nquest? As if Macon should be glad you used your fist instead of your belt?</I><BR/><BR/>Nquest probably means that this is how he interacts with people in general. Are you new to the internet or something? I don't find what he says unusually harsh, although I think he needs to trim off the irrelevant ad hominem.<BR/><BR/><I>Restructure, I think we're all "messed up." That you are too was demonstrated by the impetuosity with which you removed Macon from your blogroll.</I><BR/><BR/>If you think that was impetuous, you probably haven't been paying attention. It was more like the straw that broke the camel's back, rather than something out of the blue, which you perceive it to be.<BR/><BR/>We'll all messed up, yes, but you're especially messed up because of your very stereotypical view of PoC, excluding yourself from the stereotype, of course.<BR/><BR/><I>Thanks, I looked beck at this. So, what did you develop for him when he changed the post title in response to your critique?</I><BR/><BR/>Well, when I first saw the blog, I was glad that there was an antiracism blog criticizing whiteness. However, seeing 'emasculate' bothered me, and at that point, I realized that even if I have an 'ally' along one dimension (race), the same person can be an enemy along another dimension (gender). I have quite a few intersectional identities, so in practise, who I consider my 'ally' is going to be an ally in a limited sense, and who I put on my blogroll is going to be based on a balance of more help than harm. I can't completely trust anyone.<BR/><BR/>However, I responded to "emasculate MLK" to see what his reaction would be. Surprisingly, he knew what the problem was and changed it. This made me feel more comfortable with him, since as a woman of colour, I feel that racism and sexism are connected, that a racist person is more likely to be sexist and vice versa, especially if they belong to both dominant groups (white and male). Back then, because he changed the post, Macon D seemed intelligent, willing to learn, and willing to change.<BR/><BR/>However, now, due to what has transpired lately, I'm looking back at that incident and I'm wondering that maybe he changed it only because he knew there was something not quite right about it beforehand, while for the recent posts, he sees nothing wrong, so he goes into PR mode and avoids responsibility.<BR/><BR/><I>Why is it so hard for you to say that, along with your other critiques?</I><BR/><BR/>Say what?<BR/><BR/><I>You and Nquest seem so focused for whaddever reasons on dragging Macon down, tearing him down, rather than also supporting his efforts against whiteness. I'm just wondering why.</I><BR/><BR/>See why <B>YOU are a ridiculous <I>cliché</I></B> <A HREF="http://doubleconsciousness.wordpress.com/2008/06/14/why-do-you-hate-white-people/" REL="nofollow">here</A>. (Dated: June 14, 2008. This is another blog of mine.)<BR/><BR/><I>(I acknowledge taht the claim you don't like him just becuz he's white is off base--my apologies.)</I><BR/><BR/>I still think you have some serious issues.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-1205041655784350592008-07-10T08:08:00.000-07:002008-07-10T08:08:00.000-07:00Macon "got off easy"? Ooo, yeah, you the biggest b...Macon "got off easy"? Ooo, yeah, you the biggest baddest whatever on the block all right. Why do you perceive yourself as a punisher, Nquest? As if Macon should be glad you used your fist instead of your belt?<BR/><BR/>Restructure, I think we're all "messed up." That you are too was demonstrated by the impetuosity with which you removed Macon from your blogroll.<BR/><BR/>Also, you wrote, ""misremember MLK used to be "emasculate MLK", and based on that, I developed a bit of distrust of him with respect to sexism, but again, that's because of what he did, not because of his gender."<BR/><BR/>Thanks, I looked beck at this. So, what did you develop for him when he changed the post title in response to your critique? Why is it so hard for you to say that, along with your other critiques? You and Nquest seem so focused for whaddever reasons on dragging Macon down, tearing him down, rather than also supporting his efforts against whiteness. I'm just wondering why. (I acknowledge taht the claim you don't like him just becuz he's white is off base--my apologies.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-43868211897700852662008-07-10T06:52:00.000-07:002008-07-10T06:52:00.000-07:00Caspie, you obviously don't know me. If anything,...Caspie, you obviously don't know me. If anything, Macon is getting off easy. I am, in no wise, "harder on him" because he's White.<BR/><BR/>That's a dumb azz assumption you make with no reason for you to make it other than your own ideas which have nothing to do with me and how hard I am on other people.<BR/><BR/>The people on Africanamerica.org will readily debunk your notion. They know me by another name but my blog bearing the name I use here, Nquest, is now my signature there.<BR/><BR/>So now it's time for you to come up with another line of bs to explain the problems you're having.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-18323625202544975672008-07-09T22:22:00.000-07:002008-07-09T22:22:00.000-07:00I didn't say that. I was sarcastically summarizing...<I>I didn't say that. I was sarcastically summarizing my supposition that you and Nquest peck away so vociferously at Macon in part because he's white. Not that all non-white people do that to all the white people they encounter.</I><BR/><BR/>If this is the case, then why didn't I do it before? I hadn't (and still haven't) read the entirety of SWPD, but I had previously added SWPD to my blog roll based on the sample of posts I saw. (I saw SWPD when it first began, but I haven't read all the posts.) <A HREF="http://stuffwhitepeopledo.blogspot.com/2008/04/emasculate-mlk.html" REL="nofollow">misremember MLK</A> used to be "emasculate MLK", and based on that, I developed a bit of distrust of him with respect to sexism, but again, that's because of what he did, not because of his gender.<BR/><BR/>I'll admit that if someone writes something sexist against women, the first thing I think is that he must be a man, and when someone says something racist against non-whites, the first thing I think is that she must be a white person. However, it doesn't go the other way, like that. <BR/><BR/><I>Hell, I bet your sense of ME changed when you found out that I'm not white.</I><BR/><BR/>Certainly it did. I thought you were just ignorant before, and now I think you're messed up. I'm also responding to you and criticizing you instead of ignoring you.<BR/><BR/><I>Maybe you oughta suck it up and admit that you too give Macon a harder time than you might otherwise, because he's white.</I><BR/><BR/>Again, then why didn't I do it before? It's possible that I'm giving him "a harder time" because his blog has a relatively large white audience, and he has white male authority, so his voice will be listened to over the voices of PoC, whose antiracist blogs are more numerous. With great power comes great responsibility, to use a cliche. However, I still feel that his earlier posts were better quality than his recent ones, and that this blog has degenerated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-77249300901059947652008-07-09T20:28:00.000-07:002008-07-09T20:28:00.000-07:00When you say that non-whites are racist against wh...<I>When you say that non-whites are racist against white people because of that vanilla smell that follows them everywhere, are you including yourself?</I><BR/><BR/>I didn't say that. I was sarcastically summarizing my supposition that you and Nquest peck away so vociferously at Macon in part because he's white. Not that all non-white people do that to all the white people they encounter. <BR/><BR/>So no. I don't include myself. But hey, maybe Macon's right to say that we should mistrust him, even him, for that reason. Just because he's white, that is. Like Tim Wise said in that quote back wherever that he knows PoC initially distrust him because he's white, and rightly so. I certainly do still mistrust macon, in some ways, despite my general support of his efforts here. I read his blog more carefully in some ways, because it's buy a white guy, then I do those by non-whites. Hell, I bet your sense of ME changed when you found out that I'm not white. Maybe you oughta suck it up and admit that you too give Macon a harder time than you might otherwise, because he's white. You probably hold his proverbial feet closer to the proverbial fire because of that. And rightly so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-82218381484251864532008-07-09T19:44:00.000-07:002008-07-09T19:44:00.000-07:00caspie,Wow. Sorry, I didn't see your reply until n...caspie,<BR/><BR/>Wow. Sorry, I didn't see your reply until now.<BR/><BR/>When you say that non-whites are racist against white people because of that vanilla smell that follows them everywhere, are you including yourself?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-1559187807880993272008-07-02T12:20:00.000-07:002008-07-02T12:20:00.000-07:00Overall, I've been in a theater with middle class ...Overall, I've been in a theater with middle class whites, and I can't say that they're all quiet, and nor can one blacks can't contain themselves in such a setting.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-33654734806605023232008-07-02T01:52:00.000-07:002008-07-02T01:52:00.000-07:00Jeez, Nquest, you sure know how to take over a com...<I>Jeez, Nquest, you sure know how to take over a comments thread. Here you go, dominating another one, killing the topic at hand </I><BR/><BR/>the problem is that Macon D kills his own topic of the blog. It's also the believe of white entitlement that whites can talk uncensored regardless what non-sense and also regardless how disrespectful towards non-whites and in this case particularily towards Nquest, and at the same time trying to censor or silence a Black person.<BR/>This is not anti-racism or anything else, this is the typical white behavior to exploit a social topic to be seen as "good", when in reality this is only another way to perpetuate racismAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-89654245746311874302008-07-01T22:48:00.000-07:002008-07-01T22:48:00.000-07:00Restructure:I was also laughing at loud at the abs...Restructure:<BR/><BR/><I>I was also laughing at loud at the absurdity of caspie's comments and her astounding condescension and typical white behaviour.</I><BR/><BR/>Ah, so not only are you astoundingly condescending, you're also amazingly presumptuous. I'm a Japanese American man. <BR/><BR/>Don't worry macon, I do support your efforts here, but I won't do so in the comments anymore, at least not to the extent I did the other night.<BR/><BR/>(Exit stage left)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-59558700449151330722008-07-01T22:23:00.000-07:002008-07-01T22:23:00.000-07:00linden branch and others who might still comment h...linden branch and others who might still comment here, this post will make a lot more sense if you read the one above, "part two" of this post.macon dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07795547197817128339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-64513736747009943042008-07-01T22:20:00.000-07:002008-07-01T22:20:00.000-07:00I didn't really get the post either. It just seem...I didn't really get the post either. It just seemed to be sensing whiteness in a behavior that isn't necessarily white, and the implication of the post, at least what I got from it, was that this was somehow indicative of whiteness.<BR/><BR/>Restructure and some others also seemed harsh in their comments, but I seem to be missing a lot of the background that went into both their comments and your response to them.A Seekerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02081169882898271664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-73491292844384127392008-07-01T19:36:00.000-07:002008-07-01T19:36:00.000-07:00LOL!!!I'm killing and taking over a thread where n...LOL!!!<BR/><BR/>I'm killing and taking over a thread where not only have other people talked about things that were not the "topic at hand" but mentioned my by name and, to top it off, YOU (anon) want me to "COME OUT WITH IT" as if you just can't read.<BR/><BR/>Macon insisted the differential treatment JW suggested existed did not exist because I (Nquest) "LABEL" him. So when I note how Macon dedicated a whole topic/thread to someone who LABELED him there is no implication there. There is a direct contradiction to his claim regarding differential treatment.<BR/><BR/>Any other stupid and easily dispensed with questions, my dear anon friend??<BR/><BR/>What? Macon's and JW's post are hard to read, too?<BR/><BR/>Please COME OUT WITH your excuse for not keeping up with the class.<BR/><BR/>(How you like that 'style of communication', Restructure?)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-36814549184184582972008-07-01T19:01:00.000-07:002008-07-01T19:01:00.000-07:00That might also make your comments shorter and mor...<I>That might also make your comments shorter and more readable!</I><BR/><BR/>LOL! I agree that Nquest's comments are not that readable and not concise. I don't like his general style of communication, but I guess I understand what he means because I thought the same thing as him, with respect to <I>express amazement when non-white people see them as "white"</I> and <I>believe others consider them trustworthy</I>.<BR/><BR/>I was also laughing at loud at the absurdity of caspie's comments and <I>her</I> astounding condescension and typical white behaviour.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-14132173135541833832008-07-01T18:43:00.000-07:002008-07-01T18:43:00.000-07:00Over a year ago, I went to my daughter's dance rec...Over a year ago, I went to my daughter's dance recital. A fellow african american woman seated behind me loudly cheered as her daughter took to the stage. I noticed the reaction displayed by a white family who sat in front of me. Though the cheering was brief, the white family continued to look back at the woman in disgust and covered their ears as if too fragile to handle the woman's enthusiasm.<BR/><BR/>The children were dancing to a loud hip hop song, and the overall environment was crowded with children, families, loud music, and etc., yet this family was somehow only able to center in on the black woman's cheering and take offense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-69668169645465739872008-07-01T18:38:00.000-07:002008-07-01T18:38:00.000-07:00Jeez, Nquest, you sure know how to take over a com...Jeez, Nquest, you sure know how to take over a comments thread. Here you go, dominating another one, killing the topic at hand and chasing just about everyone else away. If this were my blog, I would've banned you just for that a long time ago.<BR/><BR/>Who cares if anything Macon says strikes you as "desperate" or "dishonest?" Those are descriptions of what the person behind the keyboard is thinking and feeling. You simply can't know those things. You should stick to the contents of the posts. That might also make your comments shorter and more readable!<BR/><BR/>You also wrote,<BR/><BR/>"You have time to respond to commenters who LABEL you as a self-loathing/self-hating White but...."<BR/><BR/>What are you implying here? If it's that Macon treats you differently from other posters, what are you saying about that difference--why do you think he does that? As I think I've seen you write before, "Come on, out with it . . ."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-7324799601263757012008-07-01T18:29:00.000-07:002008-07-01T18:29:00.000-07:00How would you like any future dialogue between us ...<B>How would you like any future dialogue between us to proceed?</B><BR/><BR/>First, you can explain why you use the term "dialogue" and what you mean by it and what you feel is "constructive" dialogue.<BR/><BR/>Had I asked the question 911 did, in the manner 911 did you would have been defensive. I would like to be able to ask questions, even those I just don't happen to place a question mark on, and have them treated the same way you treat other people's questions. And, when you don't have an answer and just can't seem to stay on "task" or deal with the subject at-hand... Well, it would be nice if you would just say you're not prepared to answer the question.<BR/><BR/>You could also elaborate more fully on what you mean by certain things you say -- certain concepts and theory of yours -- especially when people (I'm not the only, probably just the most persistent and dogged) take exception to your problematic ideas.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-38430495397822404232008-07-01T18:18:00.000-07:002008-07-01T18:18:00.000-07:00To be clear, there is no reason for you to questio...To be clear, there is no reason for you to question why I would try to have a discussion with you after I've noted how you've been dishonest in your responses if you didn't want me to leave so you wouldn't have someone asking you to perform "intricate tasks" such supporting your statements and problematic claims (wow!! so intricate and obviously way too much to ask) and not letting you off when you try to blow things off with a bs answer with you often confusing or pretending to confuse what was at issue in the first place.<BR/><BR/>So, yes, it's quiet odd that you "hope" I'll stick around after you've passively aggressively asked me to leave with that curious rhetorical question of yours that is, as a matter of fact, the definition of desperate.<BR/><BR/>You just shown how desperate the plea was by paying lip service to hoping I "stick around" as if I've voiced a reason why I would not. <BR/><BR/>Let me fill you in on something, Macon... In the blogs and boards I've been on, people who respect each other note without a lot of fall out when one of them is being "disingenuous" or make a statement that's dishonest.<BR/><BR/>The fact that you take that personally while not accounting for the way you tried to avoid dealing with whatever the issues (plural) were in the threads where you were so offended by having to support your claims when, lol, your thoughts were so "outlandish" (and unsupportable apparently) that you felt I was "ordering" you to perform "intricate tasks" you just didn't have time for.<BR/><BR/>You have time to respond to commenters who LABEL you as a self-loathing/self-hating White but....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-50404332512728184012008-07-01T18:08:00.000-07:002008-07-01T18:08:00.000-07:00Okay, Nquest, it looks like I've been imprecise in...Okay, Nquest, it looks like I've been imprecise in my characterization of your comments.<BR/><BR/>Let's call a truce. How would you like any future dialogue between us to proceed?macon dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07795547197817128339noreply@blogger.com