tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post7978933259399940331..comments2024-03-06T08:29:13.333-08:00Comments on stuff white people do: treat black women like they're made of teflon and adamantiummacon dhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07795547197817128339noreply@blogger.comBlogger269125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-84607725127796695542012-01-26T06:24:07.068-08:002012-01-26T06:24:07.068-08:00The problem is that MOST cis/het/white people do s...The problem is that MOST cis/het/white people do see themselves as better, as smarter, as more entitled and it trickles down to all other cis/het men. Seeing how cis/het/white men have all the advantages other cis/het men want it to and try to emulate, thinking they will be let into the club. <br /><br />I dislike many white people, even my own families attitudes but I can't hate my family just want they say. No matter how many times I explain to my mum about white privilege she just thinks I am a race traitor, or how I hate nationalism I am un-australian any time I bring up individualism she says but stereotypes are there for a reason. I have given up, she is so set in her ways it's gotten to the point where every time I see her we fight, every time! <br /><br />It's always 'spot the Aussie" because apparently you can tell the Aussie by the colour of their skin, oh wait you can the aboriginals are the true Australians, so I don't know what these white bastards are talking about. But white people never talk about that do they? Nope they sweep it under the carpet throw aboriginals a crumb every now and then and expect them to quiet down and say "thanks master." <br /><br />I can't believe we are still even debating about this shit in 2012! This is what pisses me off the most, it's a never ending back slapping contest. White people congratulating themselves for every tiny little bloody thing, and over looking the bigger picture. The bigger picture being it wasn't ever just some lone white hero which is what white people love to boast, MOST of the inventions white people have claimed were just rip offs from Asian/Black/Arab cultures, but whitey put a patient on it so he/she owns it. <br /><br />Anyway, sorry. I don't want to be whitesplaining to you. I bet you already get enough of that shit every day of your lives. I am just so angry because it's Australia day today and I can't stand that this arse backward country celebrates a day of genocide. I really wish I could get out of this Country.Mishahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14564540279877915785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-66112039308683029032010-01-23T06:19:10.303-08:002010-01-23T06:19:10.303-08:00As a black woman, I get this far too often to even...As a black woman, I get this far too often to even count. If I had a dollar for every time this has happened to me, I'd be RICH, and I'm willing to bet that every black woman who has responded here would be too.<br /><br />I go to a majority school in West Michigan, and the dynamic here is as many have lamented. I am the only black woman in my Renaissance Fair group, and quite frankly, I get tired of having to explain why shit stinks over and over and over again to white people who have heard this repeatedly.<br /><br />Also, I get tired of them trying to shut down the converstion by apologizing and trying to offer appeasement when I am telling them my story. News flash white folks: Talks about racism will make you uncomfortable. And that's the point. You are not supposed to be comfortable in a discussion about race.<br /><br />Let me repeat that so you understand it more clearly:<br /><br />YOU ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE COMFORTABLE IN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT RACE.<br /><br />Not. At. All. And the reason WHY you feel uncomfortable?<br /><br />1. Your privilege is being put right in your face and you are having to deal with it.<br /><br />2. You've probably done something that has been described in the stories being told by these black women, and you brushed it off as unimportant or not serious enough to spark a discussion about race.<br /><br />3. Now that you are realizing that your shit doesn't smell good, you have to formulate a way to truly clean your shit up and not sweep it under a rug.<br /><br />That being said, in my 3 years of living in West Michigan, I've only seen 2 BW/WM couples. TWO. That's it. And I've told those around me that I can pretty much count on being single due to the dynamic that is West Michigan, which is WASP blonde haired, blue eyed, etc; and have been told that I obviously need to just do the cliche "stop looking for love and it'll come to me" etc etc ad nauseum, without them realizing that this dynamic is the reason why I am not even considered most of the time. And please don't get me started on the belief that because I'm a fat black woman, I must be so damn upbeat, happy and confident...*headdesk x 1000*<br /><br /><br />And I'm gonna chime in and say that Macon, seriously, CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE. Calling Witch an Essentialist? By saying that to her, you completely undermined the purpose of your own blog.West Mishnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-39364651729779080062010-01-14T09:36:09.239-08:002010-01-14T09:36:09.239-08:00@ soul
You said:
"I would like to know What d...@ soul<br />You said:<br />"I would like to know What do you think we have been telling you throughout this thread??"<br /><br />Not sure if you will read this but I said I would respond.<br />So I have been thinking about this more and skimmed the comments again to refresh my memory... TBH it seems to me now that RVCBard's comment at January 7, 2010 8:02 PM explains extremely well what BW were trying to say, what went wrong with this thread, and what you were hoping to hear from us in return.<br /><br />Particularly this: "Despite the fact that many Black women shared some harrowing, heartbreaking stories from their personal lives to drive the initial point home, many White people couldn't get beyond their disbelief and pity long enough to try to better understand this particular experience Black women face and/or how they unwittingly contribute to it. There weren't so many questions seeking to clarify the context of this typical behavior as general derailing and predictable outpourings of White sympathy, with the occasional "Thank you" thrown in."<br /><br />Which kind of pointed out to me that I had misunderstood the whole point of the post. <br />I thought that my sympathy/outrage was an appropriate response to these harrowing heartbreaking stories, because the problem that sparked the thread was people not caring about BW's feelings, when what would have been better was as RVCBard says, is "to try to better understand this particular experience Black women face and/or how [I] unwittingly contribute to it".<br /><br />So I guess when I asked that question I thought the problem was that BW commenters were upset about telling us what they had told us, when it seems blindingly obvious now that it was the reaction and the direction that took the thread that was the problem.Soda and Candyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12935596856894830824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-39602123170039245152010-01-08T16:21:20.709-08:002010-01-08T16:21:20.709-08:00The WP should be talking with each other.
We ave...The WP should be talking with each other. <br /><br />We average WP, as individuals, may not have much power to change institutions. We do have power over our own actions and over our public example.<br /><br />I suspect that one of the positive moves WP can make is to mind our manners and expect other WP in our presence to mind their manners when interacting with BP. "May I please...", "thank you", holding doors for old folks on walkers, giving heavily pregnant woman your seat on the evening bus commute - if you the WP do it for other WP, do the same for BP. All of these things can be done BEFORE the WP roots out most of the racist assumptions. Having a standard operating procedure helps take your own personal opinion out of the situation and action to be performed.NancyPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-13780395400022181312010-01-08T07:26:40.768-08:002010-01-08T07:26:40.768-08:00(cont'd)
It looks like the ‘mammy’ stereotyp...(cont'd) <br /><br />It looks like the ‘mammy’ stereotype is being played out even in this discussion on racism on this thread about BW. BW are having to ‘take care’ of the non-Black commenters who are struggling to understand their own racism. So, as some have mentioned, instead of taking care of the BW who are hurting from racism, the focus is on taking care of those who are perpetuating racism. Whereas on the other thread (and I might be going on a stretch here), the focus is on the Asian women who need everyone to come in and help them because, well, we’re so petite, helpless, and submissive that of course we need help. This does not mean that I do not appreciate everyone’s support. I do. But what I’m saying is that perhaps the difference in reaction shown on this and the other thread may partly be due to the fact that a) people find it easier to provide support AW as opposed to BW due to the stereotypes, and b) BW who seem experienced at talking about race are more readily participating at the other thread even though it’s not about them, whereas this thread seems mostly to be between white ppl and black women. <br /><br />@bluey512 – I like you, but I think you’re missing the point here. So much that yours (and NancyP’s long one) is pretty much the only comments I skimmed through/skipped just now because they seemed rather irrelevant to the topic at hand.fromthetropicsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-13358672759494339852010-01-08T07:26:18.657-08:002010-01-08T07:26:18.657-08:00Alright, I finally finished catching up on my read...Alright, I finally finished catching up on my reading with this thread. Went through about 150 comments at one go, and the general feel I got from it was this: There’s a lot of pain here. A lot of very, very deep, unspeakable pain that’s crying out to you from deep within the ground where it’s buried, but which neither the convo nor blog nor anything else here do them justice. It’s not one person’s pain, or that of a few people, but a collective pain. And yeah, the general impression is that it doesn’t seem like any of us are actually hearing it. It’s there, it’s raw, but it’s still just there – sitting there and getting passed over. <br /><br />And then on the side there’s these flickering distractions made up of the apologies and confessionals, which just doesn’t mix well with the pain. Like oil and water. Personally and generally, I can feel my own racism/prejudice the most when I try to make confessionals or apologies. Probably because it’s just hypocritical – sounds like a confession, but really, it’s self-congratulating. It’s basically rooted in racism, IMO. And, btw, I hate it when white people or members of any other oppressive group call themselves ‘assholes’ or the like for being a member of that group. It happened here, but also in another thread a while back. Being white doesn’t make you an asshole. I think it’s similar to a white person saying to a poc, “Your skin is nice, look at mine, it’s ugly.” The urge to say stuff like that is rooted in racism. (If you’ve said it, don’t take it personally because I do appreciate your presence here.) <br /><br />And yes, talking about racism is uncomfortable. We’re just gonna have to deal with that.<br /><br /><i>The focus of much of the commentary on the next thread was to better understand the experience of Asian women being fetishized. The questions and commentary were more fully focused on gaining a deeper and more nuanced understanding of that.</i><br /><br />RVCBard, that’s probably because most of the asking is done by you, and some by other BW. While trying to answer them yesterday, I felt that I really appreciated that you guys were asking because it helped me think about my own experiences more deeply and helped open space for me to share. And correct me if I’m wrong, but I skimmed through the thread on Asian women again just now and I think the ONLY people asking questions are BW. That’s something to think about. Could it be that members of the oppressing group (including Asian readers/commenters on this thread) have a difficult time thinking up constructive questions to ask about racism? (This point may also help answer Ana & Thaddeus’ query about how to talk about racism <a href="http://stuffwhitepeopledo.blogspot.com/2010/01/dismiss-non-white-explanations-of.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.) <br /><br />(to be cont'd)fromthetropicsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-91212368422517505332010-01-07T23:38:09.165-08:002010-01-07T23:38:09.165-08:00@NancyP
I want to make it very clear that my resp...<b>@NancyP</b><br /><br />I want to make it very clear that my response to you was not to declare you a racist, it was saying that the lack of empathy of white people is due to racism and not about recognition of due to growing up solely around white people.<br /><br />The other thing is this, Black Women aren't ignored by single WM, au contraire. We are noticed and filled into: whore, Jezebel or I could never vamp. <br />We are their secret want and they act so aggressively towards us because they can't have us really without consent anymore. <br /><br />Salespeople do not ignore us, they simply do not recognise us as customers but as thieves. they watch us harder than any other customers they just don't want to serve us.<br /><br />WW don't ignore us, they largely resent us. they ape our natural features, talk about us and resent our strength and can't quite understand why we are capable of more than they want us to be.<br /><br />That whole pushing past us, pushing us off the sidewalk... Thats an attempt to exert authority over someone you don't know.<br /><br />I find on the whole WP are so darn aggressive towards black people for no darn reason.soulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-22940005578917253222010-01-07T21:58:41.575-08:002010-01-07T21:58:41.575-08:00Thank you for your thoughts on the matters you'...Thank you for your thoughts on the matters you've raised Julian. I'm surprised, though, that you've raised them here, instead of in the "Comments Policy" thread. I very much welcome the thoughts of others on these matters, but over there instead, please.macon dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07795547197817128339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-11110759833949907212010-01-07T21:48:22.255-08:002010-01-07T21:48:22.255-08:00And frankly, I don't think white folks learn t...And frankly, I don't think white folks learn that way anyway. I mean you can read Robert Jensen, Marilyn Frye, and Tim Wise, as well as Derrick Jensen, Marimba Ani, Andrea Smith, Audre Lorde, Pearl Cleage, and so many other people to find out what white people do that's fucked up and that we tend to (read: need to) be in denial about. We don't need to sap, drain, and invasively use the energy of PoC, and especially WoC, as white males, to find that out.<br /><br />I have a profeminist blog and wouldn't ever want it to be a space where males lurked soaking in women's painful stories. Or worse, a place where men came to find out how to be better males from women. Eeek. That'd be, well, exploitive and gross, sexist and male supremacist. You know? There are mostly Black women commenting on my blog and I just ban white person who makes a comment that's not appropriate. What NancyP says above makes me wonder, again, who is this blog for? And at what cost if it exists "for" white ppl? The "world" according to white ppl, is for white ppl. So why replicate that here?<br /><br />I don't think white folks and men learn through discussion. So that's my bold statement du jour. I don't think intellectual and emotional exchanges on a blog have that effect. Nor reading books alone. In my experience, and this is just one whiteboy talking, you have to be in relationship with folks, with actual lived accountability in place. That's where transformative and healing bonding and friendship and community-building happens. Because that way, the relationships are mutual. There's giving and taking on both sides, mutually. Needs get met. People get heard. People are real to one another, face to face or voice to voice. With the anonymity factors inherent in blogging, really misogynist/racist/heterosexist stuff just keeps playing out over and over again. <br /><br />I used to comment over at a blog called Feral Scholar, where a white heteroman ran the show. His heart was in the right place, to be sure, but all manner of racist/heterosexist/anti-Semitic/misogynist shit kept going down. And it was due to what he let through from white straight non-Jewish men.<br /><br />I'm realising this blog may exist to do very different things, but after seeing what played out above, I gotta ask: who do you want this space to be welcoming to? Ignorant whites who have plenty to say that's off topic, or women (and potentially men) of color who, as evidenced above, have plenty of powerful things to say on this subject.<br /><br />And NancyP: I'm so glad you're having a better experience here, and hope it gets even better for you.JulianRealhttp://radicalprofeminist.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-59393167420023802062010-01-07T21:47:58.372-08:002010-01-07T21:47:58.372-08:00Very cool, RVCBard. I look forward to that post/di...Very cool, RVCBard. I look forward to that post/discussion and how *not this one* it will be. I too am really glad you found the ppl with whom to really get to what that difference was between posts. And it's sad.<br /><br />Hey macon d, I'm wondering about something, and wanted to run this buy you, and since rules and guidelines are being discussed, I figured this might be a good time.<br /><br />I notice that your profile blurb says this:<br />macon d<br /> I'm a white guy, trying to find out what that means. Especially the "white" part. <br /><br />And, for me, when I first saw that, I just wasn't interested, even though I'm white. It's not that I don't have plenty to be more conscious of being a white person, it's that THAT focus seemed so problematically racist to me. Like it was setting up this space to do exactly what happened in this thread. Again, I'm a newbie, so I have no idea how other discussions here have gone, except from reading what RVCBard says above about the comparisons.<br /><br />So I'm thinking this: what if that initial blurb said "I'm a white guy here to learn about the experiences most of humanity has that I don't have, in a space that is determined to be respectful of marginalised voices." Because, after all, most people in the world are women of color. And we're the global minority for sure, but not marginalised. <br /><br />I think that would help set a tone and message to those white folks who come by... to know this isn't the "hey, let's stop off here and have a looksee at what a white guy is learning that I need to learn too", which, as has been very well expressed by so many commenters here, comes at way too high a price.JulianRealhttp://radicalprofeminist.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-36654643327340874592010-01-07T20:35:17.752-08:002010-01-07T20:35:17.752-08:00That makes great sense to me, RVCBard, and I appre...That makes great sense to me, RVCBard, and I appreciate you, Julia, and thesciencegirl working through all this to get to that point. I think this thread's probably burned out by now, and I agree that the issue merits another post. <br /><br />You're of course welcome to write that post; you know you'd do a better job at it than I would, and it would clearly be more appropriate, and more effective, coming from you than it would from me -- I agree that white thoughts and feelings should step off center-stage for this topic.<br /><br />One other thing; in the Comments Policy thread, tsg wrote:<br /><br /><i>Here's a relevant question: Will guest commenters be able to lay out specific rules or expectations for the comments to their posts? I was chatting with RVCBard earlier about how I've often tinkered with the idea of pitching a guest post to this blog and actually have some great ideas in mind, but I never do it precisely because the comments on guest posts by POC are so ridiculous. So, I don't know, should we have extra precautions built in for guest posters? Can we ask macon to be extra-selective about publishing comments? Does this idea appeal to people? </i><br /><br />Absolutely! It appeals to me, that is. Great timing too. I was just struggling with how to also suggest something like this, should RVCBard agree to do her own post idea. And thesciencegirl, by all means, do feel free to write to me with post ideas (an invitation that's always open to everyone here). As I've said before, the more the experts on white ways (POC) can take center stage here instead of white people like me, the better.macon dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07795547197817128339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-40976698137659504482010-01-07T20:02:51.928-08:002010-01-07T20:02:51.928-08:00So I've had time to think about it and chat wi...So I've had time to think about it and chat with a couple of people. I'd like to thank Julia and thesciencegirl for listening to me think out loud to untangle some of this.<br /><br />What I still find striking is the difference in the quality of the discussion between this thread and the thread about Asian women. <br /><br />The focus of much of the commentary on the next thread was to better understand the experience of Asian women being fetishized. The questions and commentary were more fully focused on gaining a deeper and more nuanced understanding of that. Contrast to this thread. Notice any striking differences? I most certainly do.<br /><br />Was it because the frame for discussion was more explicit? Was it because the initial comments steered things in that direction? To a certain extent, that's not so important. What is important is that despite over 250 comments, this experience of Black women has been sidelined to let White people's thoughts and feelings take center stage. Again. <br /><br />Despite the fact that many Black women shared some harrowing, heartbreaking stories from their personal lives to drive the initial point home, many White people couldn't get beyond their disbelief and pity long enough to try to better understand this particular experience Black women face and/or how they unwittingly contribute to it. There weren't so many questions seeking to clarify the context of this typical behavior as general derailing and predictable outpourings of White sympathy, with the occasional "Thank you" thrown in. <br /><br />There was a lot of posturing going on, a lot of attempts by White people to seem so benevolent and enlightened and/or so much the anti-racism authorities, that they "forgot" that they were supposed to be trying to understand Black women as we understand ourselves. They were so focused on what they gained from the discussion that they "forgot" the cost of that benefit - and who paid for it.<br /><br />I'm not going to get into why I believe Black women are generally singled out for this treatment. I think reading the comments on this thread is enough to establish that.<br /><br />But I would like to take the next thread as a model for the discussion I want to have with this topic then actually proceed to have it either here or on another post.RVCBardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06481089855894764409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-27878123354974491792010-01-07T19:35:03.216-08:002010-01-07T19:35:03.216-08:00soul at 1/7/10 12:17: I am not denying that I am r...soul at 1/7/10 12:17: I am not denying that I am racist - it would be like denying that fish are wet. I am also a pedantic bore / geek.<br /><br />As many people have observed, this blog has incompatible goals. <br />1. a space for black people to talk about racism and its effects<br />2. a space for white people to figure out how to uproot racism, in the white individuals' attitudes, in the white culture, and in specific policies.<br /><br />Should this blog be trying to combine the goals? Should there be "only black people should post" threads and "white people identifying their own racist assumptions / white people discussing how to change other white people's racism or specific policies having disparate impact" threads?<br /><br />I don't think (OCICBW*) that the ***average WP on this blog thread*** is surprised that BW are ignored by single men, salespeople, pedestrians on sidewalks, editors at large publishing houses, WW coworkers, etc. The WP don't "get", at a gut level, the scale and the unending nature of racist assaults and their effects.<br /><br />If the rules for a thread are "WP not to post", then there won't be the annoying "that's sad / horrifying / etc" or "thank you" that get posted by WP. The blog form does not allow ***non-verbal*** acknowlegement of another person and of that person's painful experience. So, the rule is "no reply expected".<br /><br />* OCICBW is "of course I could be wrong". I am not sure if this is a common acronym.NancyPnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-44737133709623450122010-01-07T14:07:47.898-08:002010-01-07T14:07:47.898-08:00I am LOVING this conversation. I'm a black wo...I am LOVING this conversation. I'm a black woman, and I used to be really active on this one site, discussing racism. The shit that WP said to me was so out of control racist that I couldn't believe adults thought it acceptable... but apparently they did, cuz those people continued to post and several black women got banned. And, much like the ladies have been saying, it seemed like WP were feeding off the stories we told, always questioning, asking for more detail, and never believing. Either we were crazy and it wasn't racism, or it was racism, "but stuff like that doesn't happen anymore". What- the fuck-ever.<br /><br />Anyway, I'm glad to know that there's a space online for us (not exclusively, of course) to check WP, cuz sometimes, they really need it.Honey Beenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-20547799757543996412010-01-07T13:55:02.597-08:002010-01-07T13:55:02.597-08:00RVCBard, just sent you a chat invite. It's my...RVCBard, just sent you a chat invite. It's my real name, so when you get an invite from a strange woman, it's me.nonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11285430099883802519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-34899312165666198492010-01-07T13:44:21.191-08:002010-01-07T13:44:21.191-08:00@thesciencegirl:
I'm on Google chat now, if y...@thesciencegirl:<br /><br />I'm on Google chat now, if you want to talk. Been chatting with someone, and I think I have an idea (still vague though).RVCBardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06481089855894764409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-81596846713123636322010-01-07T13:02:23.512-08:002010-01-07T13:02:23.512-08:00RVCBard, yes I've been thinking about that com...RVCBard, yes I've been thinking about that comparison since you mentioned it. Not sure how to put my thoughts into words yet.nonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11285430099883802519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-44464859983573330162010-01-07T12:52:03.325-08:002010-01-07T12:52:03.325-08:00Still can't get over the feeling of something ...Still can't get over the feeling of something deeply icky happening here. Especially compared to the next post.RVCBardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06481089855894764409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-6730506523017320612010-01-07T11:32:48.053-08:002010-01-07T11:32:48.053-08:00[Ana Thaddeus, you just wrote, amidst way too much...[Ana Thaddeus, you just wrote, amidst way too much else that's already been addressed ad nauseam upthread,<br /><br /><i>I mean, hell, when I presume that people are adults, I tell them what I think and if they don't like that, I deal with that. But it seems to me that what RVCBard asks for is a constant reviewing and previewing of every comment and the possible ways it might offend or hurt, something which no one does when it comes to speaking with others whom they assume are adult equals.</i><br /><br />Look, white people <i>should</i> be more careful about what they say to people of color, because they've been trained to act toward them in many ways that they don't even realize are obnoxious, and worse (many of your submitted comments today exhibit that kind of unexamined behavior). Many people here, both white and POC, understand that problem, and part of what most of the white people who comment here (especially in this thread, with <i>its</i> topic) are trying to do is practice more careful and caring modes of interracial communication. You say that "a constant reviewing and previewing of every comment and the possible ways it might offend or hurt" is "something which no one does when it comes to speaking with others <b>whom they assume are adult equals</b>." But that's precisely the problem -- most white people don't even realize that they do not treat black women like adult equals (for God's sake, read the many comments in this thread by black women to that effect -- do that for <i>their</i> sake). That's why, after understanding that about themselves, white people should be much more careful about how they treat black women, including what they say to them. <br /><br />Now then, if you have even a shred of real respect for people other than your own talkative self, go up to the beginning of this comment thread, read what black women have taken it upon themselves to share about their lives here, and <i>imagine how easily you could be one of the many oblivious white perpetrators that they describe.</i> ~macon]macon dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07795547197817128339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-51979980283609679472010-01-07T10:38:05.713-08:002010-01-07T10:38:05.713-08:00@thesciencegirl:
The fetishize Asian women thread...@thesciencegirl:<br /><br />The <a href="http://stuffwhitepeopledo.blogspot.com/2010/01/fetishize-asian-women.html" rel="nofollow">fetishize Asian women thread</a> seems to be avoiding a lot of shit that happened in this thread. There is something deeply unsettling about that.RVCBardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06481089855894764409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-72959544738318539972010-01-07T10:05:17.784-08:002010-01-07T10:05:17.784-08:00I think there are some people in this comment thre...I think there are some people in this comment thread who should stop apologizing, stop explaining, stop getting defensive, and just stop talking for a bit. You don't have to post every thought or self-reflection that pops into your head. I appreciate people who are willing to examine themselves and say "I'm sorry. I screwed up." I hesitate to say that b/c I really am not interested in giving out cookies, but look, I do appreciate it. But I would also appreciate you shutting up and listening and trying to understand more fully how and why you are screwing up. Believe it or not, your personal epiphanies that black women are correct about their experiences are not really interesting for the rest of us to read. They're good for you to personally note and reflect on. You don't have to come in here and report on every lesson and then interpret those lessons for the white masses. A good rule of thumb is more listening, less talking.<br /><br />I do that myself. Like yesterday, there was a thread about fetishizing Asian women. I asked a question. I defended my fellow WOC when someone basically said, "ignore the racism; let's focus on the sexism." But otherwise, I shut up and listened to discussion on a topic which is not MY lived reality. I'm not an Asian woman so I don't need to take up the center of that comment thread sharing every thought in my head. <b>Stop privileging your own thoughts and learning process above more relevant and informed voices.</b>nonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11285430099883802519noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-55146847862847982122010-01-07T09:39:39.062-08:002010-01-07T09:39:39.062-08:00Nope.
I understood and saw through you perfectly w...Nope.<br />I understood and saw through you perfectly well. <br /><br />I also understand that most of the black women in this same thread have said <b>the exact same things</b> you keep trying to convey as your original thoughts and ideas.<br /><br /><b>I know</b> the way white people negatively react to me. I <b>know</b> and am aware of how they view me as do the other black women on this thread. And has been <b>repeatedly stated by us</b><br /><br /><b>We live it. YOU do not</b><br />I have no need for you to voice it for me, I am articulate enough to state it perfectly well in at least 4 different Lingua Franca (languages) and 2 distinct sub-languages. <br /><br />Also, you do not sound authoritative lol!. Not in the least. You sound <b>Pseudo</b> authoritative. That means FALSELY AUTHORITATIVE.<br /><br />You sound like a plaguerist who tries to mask the theft by adding their own conclusions. Except your conclusions are often absurd and your language racist.<br /><br />You get it soo wrong it's almost painful to point out, except you keep trying to impress us with your cluelessness so you keep talking. <br /><br />You pretty much just read the previous entries, take what someone else has said and then preface it with 'I think..'.<br /><br />You think what?. You are not thinking at all.<br />If you were thinking you would stop, re-read this thread and apologise to all the black people here for derailing and using racist posturing. <br />You would also apologise to all the white people here for your nonsensical attempts to show them that, which you don't know and then you will actually take some time to <b>LEARN</b> something.<br /><br />I know you won't do this. I know, I know... you are astounded at how 'incredulous' I feel and you 'think' blah blah blah...<br /><br />Urrrgh, now you just bore me. I've said more than enough. Do what the heck you want.soulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-28453532122283365822010-01-07T09:04:12.477-08:002010-01-07T09:04:12.477-08:00Commie Bastard, your comment blew me away. So suc...Commie Bastard, your comment blew me away. So succinct and honest.<br /><br />"Note the irony that no demands are being made on the oppressors, to demonstrate their humanity, even though the very fact of their oppression renders them far less humane than their victims."<br /><br />You are scary smart!Moviegirlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-19615371373907075702010-01-07T09:02:02.027-08:002010-01-07T09:02:02.027-08:00bluey512,
"I know it pisses people off but h...bluey512,<br /><br />"I know it pisses people off but honestly I have no idea what I'm doing that makes it sound like that." Well, but that's YOUR job to figure out. And until you figure it out, perhaps you should refrain from commenting.<br /><br />I can certainly give you one example, though. Telling soul "maybe you did misunderstand" instead of saying "I see that I wasn't clear" makes it sound like you're the teacher and that it's soul's job to try to understand you--not for you to try to be clear, and to take responsibility for your words, which is what you would do with an equal. It's obnoxious.<br /><br />Please, for god's sake, DON'T reply to this. I am sure I am not alone in wanting to get back to this:<br />"It seems a conversation was taking place before you came along, one where for awhile white people were having to think very hard and carefully about what they were saying and doing..."Juliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02945385659698659077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-27982014287011117292010-01-07T08:52:56.182-08:002010-01-07T08:52:56.182-08:00bluey512 wrote,
Maybe it would help to mentally p...bluey512 wrote,<br /><br /><i>Maybe it would help to mentally preface all my posts with "the following is just the personal opinion of some random white asshole"?</i><br /><br />Yes, it would help, and it would also help to then stop yourself from posting them because you realize that's the case. Please read Number 13 in the new Comments Policy. You're doing a lot of obnoxious white center-staging/grandstanding here, most of it to state the incredibly obvious, as in your most recent first paragraph.macon dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07795547197817128339noreply@blogger.com