tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post7407235488506836000..comments2024-03-06T08:29:13.333-08:00Comments on stuff white people do: claim that rap isn't musicmacon dhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07795547197817128339noreply@blogger.comBlogger130125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-17719229875045616042013-02-19T22:51:20.870-08:002013-02-19T22:51:20.870-08:00That argument made me sadder than Einstein at a Hi...That argument made me sadder than Einstein at a Hitler speech. Music has nothing to do with race, for one. Rap is no doubt music, music is an organized collection of sounds, however, the vocals are used as a rhythmic instrument (like a drum) while it is generally used with tones. This reminds us of poetry because poetry is rhythmic and uses words. To illustrate why rap is seen as musically inferior, consider the fine art of poetry and it's evolution after the development of complex linguistics, (words) or painting with the whole rainbow instead of black and white. Music was at one point probably only rhythmic; we progressed and began using melody. Rap music generally uses a rhythmic melody line (the vocals) and a beat repeated throughout the song. Classical music, even without words, has a transitional melody, more complex (generally) than a rap song. <br /> So from there someone (of any race) might assume that because someone likes rap music, they are not using their brain right, like a poet who enjoys the line "I go." Stuffwhitepeopledo can be a funny subject, but you (and the comments I read) are just expressing racism in a socially tolerable way, and in my opinion (I am white for those concerned) you sound dumb. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08617699878415483891noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-37710350947680599762010-07-23T14:26:22.400-07:002010-07-23T14:26:22.400-07:00@asghsdf, who said I try not to pay attention beca...@asghsdf, who said <i>I try not to pay attention because WP created Juggalos, and I think that's all that really needs to be said.</i>:<br /><br />I'm glad I wasn't drinking when I read that, because I would have sprayed my keyboard. Well-played!Robinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08775402675080387821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-24821656644517975352010-07-23T09:49:33.949-07:002010-07-23T09:49:33.949-07:00I'm commenting wicked late, I'm sorry.
I ...I'm commenting wicked late, I'm sorry.<br /><br />I notice it all the time, especially in the rock scene, which is mostly white. The fact that rap takes that much talent and that great of a vocabulary is precisely why I like it as much as I do, and it really saddens me when WP try to say it's not music because it's electronic or it's just poetry. I try not to pay attention because WP created Juggalos, and I think that's all that really needs to be said.<br /><br />Anyway, the main reason I wanted to comment, was to alert you to some fantastic POC punk/metal/rock bands, since you said you weren't aware of any (If I sound patronizing, it is really not my intent!) though I must admit I haven't finished reading the whole thread so again I'm sorry if I've repeated any:<br /><br />Trash Talk -> Hardcore leaning on the side of thrash metal band from Sacremento, CA. Two, used to be three, of the members are men of color. They're one of those bands who are bigger overseas than in America (Gee, I wonder why?), but I saw them recently and they were awesome.<br /><br />Sevendust -> Sevendust is probably the most mainstream band on my list (If you haven't heard of them, I'd be shocked!), they're more of a nu-metal rock band. The lead singer is a man of color. Their album "Seasons" pretty much saved my life.<br /><br />Gym Class Heroes -> Another pretty mainstream one, but I'm not quite sure it's rock since Travis McCoy's (a man of color, the lead vocalist, and who also put out a spectacular solo effort recently) vocals are a focal point of most of their songs and are arranged around.<br /><br />Hed PE -> This is like the rap rock I've seen mentioned up thread. The leader, Jared, is a man of color. Not so mainstream, but pretty popular, especially amongst angsty suburban teenagers.<br /><br />So to answer your question: they definitely exist. You might just need to look for them, which sucks.Jesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04812728765275220295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-28211105991288861412010-07-23T05:22:45.913-07:002010-07-23T05:22:45.913-07:00It is analogous, as rap fits any definition of mus...It is analogous, as rap fits any definition of music I've ever heard or read, yet certain people insist on cherrypicking superficial things that somehow make it "not music". At any rate, that statement was about describing how saying "rap is not music" makes no fucking sense.Kraasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-89926546576969698572010-07-22T10:11:11.070-07:002010-07-22T10:11:11.070-07:00"claiming that rap is not music is like sayin..."claiming that rap is not music is like saying a sphere is not round."<br /><br />no...because a sphere has definite properties whereas music encompasses a range of set rules hence why there is debate on what music is. It isn't analogous.Jtking3141https://www.blogger.com/profile/08573113237721741822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-74239634562087698012010-07-22T09:43:46.231-07:002010-07-22T09:43:46.231-07:00This isn't even about difference of opinion, a...This isn't even about difference of opinion, anyway. <i>Disliking</i> rap is not the issue, it's claiming that it's not music. There's often a subtle and sometimes not so subtle racist implication behind that claim. Even if there isn't any racism attached to it at all, claiming that rap is not music is like saying a sphere is not round.Kraasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-31245210057715052182010-07-22T08:03:32.164-07:002010-07-22T08:03:32.164-07:00Botka,
Grow up and look over here, please.Botka,<br /><br />Grow up and <a href="http://stuffwhitepeopledo.blogspot.com/2009/10/derail-dialogues-on-race-with-arab.html" rel="nofollow">look over here, please</a>.macon dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07795547197817128339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-16109295472725350272010-07-22T08:02:14.311-07:002010-07-22T08:02:14.311-07:00It's not just white people who do this, all ra...It's not just white people who do this, all races have differing opinions on everything. Grow up and stop being ignorant, please.Botkanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-34689658259755775902010-06-15T13:17:18.479-07:002010-06-15T13:17:18.479-07:00"But when was racism ever logical?"
Thi..."But when was racism ever logical?"<br /><br />This ought to be a talking point. I mean, sure, it's a logical outcome in any diverse society. However, the "reasons" behind racism rarely make any sense at all and often aren't very well thought through.<br />Not that it has to do specifically with rap, but...Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02446020225736422284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-58907239574835917102010-06-15T07:44:21.117-07:002010-06-15T07:44:21.117-07:00Posting in an old thread :3
Listen to Eazy-E'...Posting in an old thread :3<br /><br />Listen to Eazy-E's "Imma Break It Down" and tell me that's not music. <br /><br />Heavy Metal gets something like this too ("It's all noise!").<br /><br />People have a right to their musical preferences but claiming that Rap isn't music just defies logic. But when was racism ever logical? (because that's often what's at the core of this claim)Kraasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-66645459917381783002010-05-08T17:55:23.505-07:002010-05-08T17:55:23.505-07:00@ EbonyPrince:
I've noticed that too.
@ James...@ EbonyPrince:<br />I've noticed that too.<br /><br />@ James; "why would these white people who dislike rap dislike Heavy-ish metal?."<br /><br />It's not an either or thing. I dislike (most) rap and (most) heavy metal for the same reason - I like tunes. Maybe it's because I'm a classically trained musician or something; but generally neither rap nor metal include the things I like in a song. Occasionally, the lyrical content will grab me, or a riff or beat will be funky enough to hook me in. But yeah, to me metal and rap are virtually two sides of the same coin.cinnamon girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08547856129124479433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-33627892188688521502010-05-08T15:58:40.067-07:002010-05-08T15:58:40.067-07:00Just to point something out...
Ever notice that i...Just to point something out...<br /><br />Ever notice that in these debates, rock and other times country are considered exact opposites of rap.EbonyPrincenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-85514658029779757272010-05-08T13:00:21.162-07:002010-05-08T13:00:21.162-07:00Cher wrote:
"While I do not debate whether or...Cher wrote:<br />"While I do not debate whether or not rap is music, because to me it is music,it's the talent of some I debate. In all genres of music, how hard is it really to sample another artist's music and just add in some new words? I've also noticed that a huge chunk of rap music sales are made by white people around and under their thirties....just sayin..."<br /><br />You could say the same about rock music. How hard is it to throw together a chord progression that you've heard in hundreds of rock songs over the past 40 years and add in some new words?<br /><br />There's good sampling and there's bad sampling. The most notorious example of bad sampling has to be Puffy's "I'll Be Missing You," but I can think of many more examples of genius samples, in which producers take a 1-2 second snippet of a song and transforming it into something new. The source becomes almost unrecognizable, and in the cases where the sample is designed to be recognizable, you hear the original song in a new way. I mean, listen to "Archangel" by Burial (not rap, but it uses sampling) or "For Heaven's Sake" by the Wu-Tang Clan and tell me that what those artists did was easy.nomadologisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06097986944573285351noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-27339630369188973202010-05-08T10:35:53.579-07:002010-05-08T10:35:53.579-07:00While I do not debate whether or not rap is music,...While I do not debate whether or not rap is music, because to me it is music,it's the talent of some I debate. In all genres of music, how hard is it really to sample another artist's music and just add in some new words? I've also noticed that a huge chunk of rap music sales are made by white people around and under their thirties....just sayin...Cherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09439639769090216783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-55761819868966800202010-05-06T21:07:47.590-07:002010-05-06T21:07:47.590-07:00Quite interesting that I read this today.
In adv...Quite interesting that I read this today. <br /><br />In advisement (a class dedicated to giving students free time to do work) the teacher allowed music to be played with only one condition.<br /><br />I has to be country.<br /><br />I was royally pissed off, because I didn't want to listen to country. Country was the only music we ever got to listen to, and I wanted something different. So I asked "Why only country?"<br /><br />The teacher answered, "Because it's school appropriate" <br /><br />uh huh, yeah sure. Me and another girl promptly called him out on how unfair that was, especially when that "honkie donk" song was playing when he said it!<br /><br />*huff*<br /><br />Anyways, the validity of rap as music quickly because the talking point of the class. No student directly said "rap isn't music" but a good number white kids said something like, "It's sorta like music."<br /><br />I didn't get it, I mean, wasn't it obvious that rap was music? I never once questioned rap. <br /><br />Finally the teacher budged and allowed for other music to play. I suggested that we listen to some black metal, such as Cthonic.<br /><br />People acted just as disgusted with that as they did with rap, why would these white people who dislike rap dislike Heavy-ish metal?.Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-22243653667025855492010-05-06T20:23:34.956-07:002010-05-06T20:23:34.956-07:00@Ben
It is an "interesting" article. I ...@Ben<br /><br />It is an "interesting" article. I think some people might object to calling music that's performed predominantly by white people "white music", when, as other comments have pointed out, the black community is responsible for the emergence of the genres that the author is referring to.<br /><br />I suspect that the author knows this, and was just acknowledging the fact that those genres are the ones that white people listen to and participate in the most, but it's still something to think about.R.A.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-15285218894019840272010-05-06T18:49:04.622-07:002010-05-06T18:49:04.622-07:00Well, I suppose I should have specified that I'...Well, I suppose I should have specified that I'm worried that it is racism/white centrism to think the article might be relevant to the topic of this post. No, I don't think the article is inherently racist or anything like that.Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02446020225736422284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-3047845960712041292010-05-06T18:43:05.693-07:002010-05-06T18:43:05.693-07:00Ben,
Why so cryptic? How and/or why would thinkin...Ben,<br /><br />Why so cryptic? How and/or why would thinking that article is interesting be racist? (He's not claiming that rap isn't music . . .)macon dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07795547197817128339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-84517608305960649822010-05-06T17:50:01.636-07:002010-05-06T17:50:01.636-07:00Is it racism to think this article is interesting?...Is it racism to think this article is interesting?<br />http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1093705,00.htmlBenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02446020225736422284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-43042796291002731032010-03-29T16:55:12.766-07:002010-03-29T16:55:12.766-07:00I would never make any insane claim that rap isn&#...I would never make any insane claim that rap isn't music. That isn't an opinion. It contains notes(many)- it's music. However, I do understand the mentality that a good portion popular rap is terrible. It has been specifically noted that for at least 40 years popular music (I.E. most of what's on the radio)has been filled with songs about women in general. Songs about partying, dancing, and screwing women. (and men) Now it's obvious why music that people dance to would have such subject matter, but that doesn't make it good. In all art forms doing something different is rewarded. Exactly why groups like the Beatles and Public Enemy have had strong support from critics. Most popular rap artists today rap about having casual sex with women and about how much money they are making. Would you read a book about some arrogant guy going on about all this sex he's having and all this money he's made? It's annoying, boring (because everyone's talking about the same thing), and often vulgar. That may be music and by default art but it sucks!!Andrew Miserynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-37386843805367171192010-03-14T11:25:23.073-07:002010-03-14T11:25:23.073-07:00Sarcasm is a school yard tactic, intended to belit...Sarcasm is a school yard tactic, intended to belittle a person. As far as derailing I was talking about rap and music, it may have been a little off topic but my mind tends to wonder sometimes, I apologize.Ó Dochartaighhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14847152625795192647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-18220396471248501572010-03-14T11:06:17.463-07:002010-03-14T11:06:17.463-07:00Ó Dochartaigh,
What's wrong with well-aimed s...Ó Dochartaigh,<br /><br />What's wrong with well-aimed sarcasm? I don't have a problem with sarcasm here (in part because it's not my job, especially as a white guy, to police the tones that other people use in discussions of racism). <br /><br />It's derailing content that I do my best to avoid here. And I don't "like" doing that; it's actually a pain in the ass. <br /><br />Instead of feeling personally persecuted, how about trying to figure out WHY some of your comments weren't published? (Here's some help: <a href="http://stuffwhitepeopledo.blogspot.com/2010/02/commenting-guidelines.html" rel="nofollow">"commenting guidelines"</a>). And along with that, how about sticking to the point of a post and addressing that, instead of, as in the case of your comments on this post, ironically and rather cluelessly demonstrating the common white tendency that the post itself is all about?macon dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07795547197817128339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-90899001205618800532010-03-14T10:37:06.455-07:002010-03-14T10:37:06.455-07:00I'm not the one writing lyrics that are disres...I'm not the one writing lyrics that are disrespectful to women, I was quoting an over popular rap phrase. Also I'm a man, Macon D seems to like censoring my responses, yet he leaves all this keyboard warrior sarcasm all over his blog.Ó Dochartaighhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14847152625795192647noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-8984235715310889892010-03-14T10:09:32.592-07:002010-03-14T10:09:32.592-07:00Sorry, but I classify politics as "people iss...Sorry, but I classify politics as "people issues". Also, "bitches and ho's"? What the hell? Did you forget where you were posing?Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02446020225736422284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-65463189547005031152010-03-14T08:22:57.915-07:002010-03-14T08:22:57.915-07:00Did she just say that? Wow. Hopeless.Did she just say that? Wow. Hopeless.Victoriahttp://vintagelux.wordpres.comnoreply@blogger.com