tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post3733251973939443464..comments2024-03-06T08:29:13.333-08:00Comments on stuff white people do: go along with racism instead of calling it what it ismacon dhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07795547197817128339noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-79262242360657686972008-07-11T18:43:00.001-07:002008-07-11T18:43:00.001-07:00My mother-in-law drops weird crypto-racist bombshe...My mother-in-law drops weird crypto-racist bombshells every now and again. When my daughter was about 1 or so, I was reading to her on the couch from a picture book called "Peekaboo Morning". My MIL was watching quietly across the room, and after I was done she asked my wife, "Do you think he should be reading that to her? She might find it confusing". My wife asked her what she meant and my MIL said obliquely, "Well, you know, the people in the story don't <I>look</I> like her".jaydubhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16527740516846070283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-38743080655304473402008-07-10T09:50:00.000-07:002008-07-10T09:50:00.000-07:00Pixelfish, what is HOAs?I lived in Durham in the '...Pixelfish, what is HOAs?<BR/><BR/>I lived in Durham in the '70s as a student and there was -- and I assume there is still? -- a startling, sad discrepancy between the black and white sections of town.<BR/><BR/>When my roommate and I ate in some local restaurants away from the then-only vegetarian one we usually went to, we were struck by the visible ill-health of the customers who were poor and black. Is there more of a black middle class there now? Or maybe there was then and I was only seeing through one lens.<BR/><BR/>I trust black people more than white and poor people more than rich because of rich peoples' power to screw people in major ways.<BR/><BR/>I had a sociology prof who really made us see that Duke had the political power in local politics and the poor had none, my first understanding that one's vote is subject to the power players in a community and I suddenly questioned, where is true democracy?It would be interesting to hear how Durham is doing now as far as racial justice and racial economic justice.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08222691585701927490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-58173480821447783752008-07-10T09:04:00.000-07:002008-07-10T09:04:00.000-07:00I think I had a similar experience when I lived in...I think I had a similar experience when I lived in Durham, NC. Everybody else I knew from the area was living in Cary (which is full of little HOAs all hell-bent on making sure every house is the appropriate shade of cream, beige, or very light blue) and when I moved to Durham, everyone was amazed and kept saying how dangerous it was. Meh. Statistically, Cary was a very safe town, and Durham technically had a higher crime and poverty rate. But no more than many other cities.<BR/><BR/>I remember thinking at the time that everybody was making this ridiculous flap over Durham, but something still seemed off, and I'm thinking maybe this was it. Perhaps what the subtext was among all my white acquaintances was, "Man, there's sure a lot of people not the same colour as us. Ergo, must be dangerous." I wish I'd realised it before as well.PixelFishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14663536968452455022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-36673808708766270942008-07-09T21:37:00.000-07:002008-07-09T21:37:00.000-07:00That should read:Something is definitely strange w...That should read:<BR/><BR/>Something is definitely strange when the relative homicide rates by race are so different than the relative rates of other violent crimes by ra<B><I>c</I></B>e, although I am not sure why this is.<BR/><BR/>Sorry about the typo.Glaivesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16867323638154972101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-20688111328740844192008-07-09T21:36:00.000-07:002008-07-09T21:36:00.000-07:00nquest:Thank you for the statistics. I do not thi...nquest:<BR/><BR/>Thank you for the statistics. I do not think that I would have found them on my own.<BR/><BR/>Something is definitely strange when the relative homicide rates by race are so different than the relative rates of other violent crimes by rae, although I am not sure why this is.<BR/><BR/>I will have to listen to the Tim Wise video again and see what I think.Glaivesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16867323638154972101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-74253455333792219032008-07-09T17:21:00.000-07:002008-07-09T17:21:00.000-07:00Thanks to Macon for sharing the story. I found it...Thanks to Macon for sharing the story. I found it very interesting and thought provoking. I've been finding myself more aware of the racial ambience of both my conversations (past and present) and the places I go, in large part thanks to it being brought to my attention by the writing on this blog.<BR/><BR/>And thanks to Nquest for taking the time to refute Glaivester. I appreciate the time you took out of your day to do so.A Seekerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02081169882898271664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-52986559506246339322008-07-09T13:55:00.000-07:002008-07-09T13:55:00.000-07:00You cannot change his mind about how he thinksThat...<B>You cannot change his mind about how he thinks</B><BR/><BR/>That's clearly not my intent or purpose in posting the counter-arguments I have.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-86084455470288685662008-07-09T13:42:00.000-07:002008-07-09T13:42:00.000-07:00nquest said: Beyond that, you've still yet to exp...<B>nquest said: Beyond that, you've still yet to explain what all this side talk has to do with the topic here and how relevant the Black crime stat you quoted is relevant when you still have to deal with point #2, let alone the skyrocketing jump in Black incarceration that came after the civil rights era that Wise talked about.</B><BR/><BR/>nquest,<BR/><BR/>glaivester is a troll. As well, he is a right-wing, racist, sexist, faux-libertarian homophobe. There, I think I covered it all about him. You need only check out the blogs listed in his profile, especially the first one, to see that I am correct in my assessment of him. He has baited his hook and dropped his line into the water of this blog in the hope that he would get a bite: You bit. You cannot change his mind about how he thinks , and as a consequence, [probably] reacts and interacts [if he has to], with black people. His mind is made up. You are just wasting your time with him. You should consider your time too valuable and irreplaceable to give any of it to the likes of him; for people such as him hate you, and me, from the soles of their feet to the top of their heads.redcatbikerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08645491470348404443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-36152783015703724632008-07-09T06:47:00.000-07:002008-07-09T06:47:00.000-07:00The way I see it, from the numbers in that Persona...The way I see it, from the numbers in that Personal Crimes of Violence chart, Whites commit almost 6 times as many "crimes of violence" than Blacks. (I'm using the 3,283,030 aggregate number for WHITE ONLY and the 556,140 figure listed for BLACK ONLY in the first "crime of violence" category before each specific violent crime is broken down.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-35573419393120234672008-07-09T05:41:00.000-07:002008-07-09T05:41:00.000-07:00Further, these "official" Personal Crimes of Viole...Further, these "official" Personal Crimes of Violence stats <B><A HREF="http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/sheets/cvus/2003/cv0342.csv" REL="nofollow">here</A> </B> stipulate WHITE (and Black) ONLY.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-51618398248450809032008-07-09T05:05:00.000-07:002008-07-09T05:05:00.000-07:00Glaivester, what you said earlier was misleading. ...Glaivester, what you said earlier was misleading. Again, Wise actual statement including him saying "White." That settles your issue despite Wise going on to add "non-Hispanic" White.<BR/><BR/>And you simply can't dispute Wise unless he claimed to gotten the stat from a particular source that doesn't support his claim or unless you can show, using "official" crime stats, that he is incorrect.<BR/><BR/>Beyond that, you've still yet to explain what all this side talk has to do with the topic here and how relevant the Black crime stat you quoted is relevant when you still have to deal with point #2, let alone the skyrocketing jump in Black incarceration that came after the civil rights era that Wise talked about.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-49760683212453068272008-07-09T00:16:00.000-07:002008-07-09T00:16:00.000-07:00is it only odd to me that of all of C's friends no...is it only odd to me that of all of C's friends not one bothers to acknowledge the economic reasons behind her move? <BR/><BR/>It's like they can't believe someone who looks like them has been 'forced' to be amongst the savages....although she has more space.<BR/><BR/>unraveling these feelings may not make the world a better place but at least there is and can continue to be a place where they can be discussed.<BR/><BR/>also re: black men and crime ...I don't have the stat but I do believe most of these crime victims are other blacks. <BR/><BR/>All crime is bad but its worthwhile to keep in mind when the demonization of black men begins.MartiniCocoahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12509335664000215080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-66328156530456314942008-07-08T22:26:00.000-07:002008-07-08T22:26:00.000-07:00Hey Glaivester, NEVER E-MAIL ME WITH ANYTHING EVER...Hey Glaivester, NEVER E-MAIL ME WITH ANYTHING EVERY AGAIN!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-15974180571305797232008-07-08T22:09:00.000-07:002008-07-08T22:09:00.000-07:00In the clip, Wise says, "you know, 60% of all viol...<I>In the clip, Wise says, "you know, 60% of all violent crimes are committed by Whites -- white non-Hispanic" (at about the 2:50 mark). Earlier, he referenced the increased incarceration rates of Blacks and Hispanics. So I don't see what the "mistake" is. Looks like more of a clarification or distinction.</I><BR/><BR/>What I meant is that I do not think that there are any official statistics for U.S. crime rates that separate non-Hispanic white from Hispanic white, so I doubt that there was anywhere where Wise could get that statistic from. I think he probably took the "white" crime rate (from the DoJ) and assumed incorrectly that it did not include Hispanics.Glaivesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16867323638154972101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-88068674347313077782008-07-08T19:31:00.000-07:002008-07-08T19:31:00.000-07:00Also, your assumption about homicide rates being p...Also, your assumption about homicide rates being predictive of overall violent crime is a... mistake:<BR/><BR/> <B>In 2005--<BR/><BR/> * Black and white persons experienced similar rates of simple assault.<BR/><BR/> * Black, white, and other races experienced about the same rates of rape/sexual assault.</B><BR/><BR/>http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/cvict_v.htm#raceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-272537903921850272008-07-08T19:26:00.000-07:002008-07-08T19:26:00.000-07:00So, this "proxy" thing is your excuse for making t...So, this "proxy" thing is your excuse for making the mistake of thinking you refuted or effectively cast aspersion on what Wise said or offered any point that says anything beyond the superficial.<BR/><BR/>Wise video was 1 of 2. Sticking by your unexamined "higher rates" argument or claiming that Wise made a 'mistake' (that you can't refute) tells us nothing about the reason why the higher rates exists and what relevance those higher rates have to this discussion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-7790693328807869992008-07-08T19:12:00.000-07:002008-07-08T19:12:00.000-07:00Glaivester,In the clip, Wise says, "you know, 60% ...Glaivester,<BR/><BR/>In the clip, Wise says, "you know, 60% of all violent crimes are committed by Whites -- white non-Hispanic" (at about the 2:50 mark). Earlier, he referenced the increased incarceration rates of Blacks and Hispanics. So I don't see what the "mistake" is. Looks like more of a clarification or distinction.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-498670969981538672008-07-08T18:49:00.000-07:002008-07-08T18:49:00.000-07:00Note:The previous statistics I linked to were spec...Note:<BR/><BR/>The previous statistics I linked to were specifically about homicide, not about violent crime in general; and the example I used initially was murders.<BR/><BR/>I was using homicide as a proxy for violent crime, but on second thought, I will admit that i do not immediately have any statistics on violent crime as a general category. Nonetheless, I will stand by the statement that the statistics show that blacks commit homicides at a much higher rate than whites, and that this is probably a reasonable proxy for overall violent crime rates.Glaivesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16867323638154972101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-68119463004435840782008-07-08T18:41:00.000-07:002008-07-08T18:41:00.000-07:00I watched the Tim Wise video. He made at least on...I watched the Tim Wise video. He made at least one mistake in his presentation. He claimed that 60% of violent crime in the U.S. was committed by non-Hispanic whites. <BR/><BR/>As I recall, the DoJ does not break down Hispanics as a separate category when it comes to crime (altrhough they are broken down as a separate category when it comes to imprisonment), so I question whether an official statistic for violent crimes committed by non-Hispanics whites exist. I think he probably looked at the "white rate" and assumed that it meant "non-Hispanic white" when in reality, most Hispanics are probably included in the "white" category.<BR/><BR/>I will admit that I cannot find any "violent crime by race" statistics immediately, but the "homicide by race" statistics I linked to certainly support this point.Glaivesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16867323638154972101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-19391890532523024972008-07-08T18:21:00.000-07:002008-07-08T18:21:00.000-07:00Your "statistics" about the rate of violent crimes...<I>Your "statistics" about the rate of violent crimes committed by black men seems grossly over-exaggerated.</I><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm" REL="nofollow">Here are the statistics based on race</A>, as compiled by the government. (Note: Hispanics are not broken out as a separate category, but can be identified as either white or black).<BR/><BR/>It does not look as if my statistics are exaggerrated (at least in terms of race, the statistics I linked to do not refer to age or gender, so I guess you could still argue I am wrong about young black men).Glaivesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16867323638154972101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-48861005858629313482008-07-08T18:06:00.000-07:002008-07-08T18:06:00.000-07:00As I posted/quoted elsewhere:1) Tim Wise video re...As I posted/quoted <A HREF="http://dsadevil.blogspot.com/2008/06/on-trusting-white-people.html" REL="nofollow">elsewhere</A>:<BR/><B><BR/>1) <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C55zE_qJd2g&feature=related" REL="nofollow">Tim Wise video</A> re: the curious spike in "Black" crime rates<BR/><BR/>2) <A HREF="http://webb.senate.gov/pdf/prisonfactsheet4.html" REL="nofollow">Sen. Jim Webb's</A> "key point" on how the "growth in the [Black] prison population [for example] is due to changing policy, not increased crime."</B><BR/><BR/>So, yes, Glaivester. What exactly do you think your point is?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-78030765873523714502008-07-08T17:34:00.000-07:002008-07-08T17:34:00.000-07:00Glaivester said: As I recall, blacks (in particul...<B>Glaivester said: <BR/><BR/>As I recall, blacks (in particular young black men) commit violent crime at a rate about four times their proportion of the population (e.g 40-50% of murders whereas they are about 12-13% of the population) and at about eight times the rate that whites do, so it is hardly an unwarranted fear.</B><BR/><BR/>Your "statistics" about the rate of violent crimes committed by black men seems grossly over-exaggerated. And, after skimming one of your blogs, I am not surprised.redcatbikerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08645491470348404443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-19768326735511012502008-07-08T16:34:00.000-07:002008-07-08T16:34:00.000-07:00I am sure that one of the things that her white fr...<I>I am sure that one of the things that her white friends/family/coworkers are fearful of is a crime happening to your friend because she lives amongst the darker others. This is an absolutely unwarranted and silly fear that whites [Americans] have of, particularly, black men.</I><BR/><BR/>As I recall, blacks (in particular young black men) commit violent crime at a rate about four times their proportion of the population (e.g 40-50% of murders whereas they are about 12-13% of the population) and at about eight times the rate that whites do, so it is hardly an unwarranted fear.<BR/><BR/><I>Statistics prove that most [violent] crimes are same race/ethnic group: A black person is usually the victim of a black, a white of a white, a Mexican of a Mexican, etc. </I><BR/><BR/>True, but that is largely due to segregation, not because criminals prefer to target people of the same race. That is, most people live in areas dominated by the same ethnic group as themselves, so crime targets of the same race as one's self are easier to find.<BR/><BR/>Put another way, most criminals do not have easy access to people of other races. Therefore, the fact that most crime is same race/ethnic group should not be taken to mean that a white person is safer in a black neighborhood than a white one.Glaivesterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16867323638154972101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-72328203049204591112008-07-08T16:08:00.000-07:002008-07-08T16:08:00.000-07:00Your friend might want to seek out groups that are...Your friend might want to seek out groups that are working to improve or enhance her neighborhood. No, I am NOT talking about gentrification. I have a very similar living situation. Bought a house here because it was affordable and convenient. There's more crime than what I'm used to, but I've become involved with the neighborhood association. You meet people and after awhile you stop seeing it through the eyes of the judgmental outsiders -- the ones who drive their SUV's 25 miles each way to work. You are right. Racism is insidious and every effort to combat it makes the world a better place.Vollyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14514280952695776270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-45717982483775976022008-07-08T09:41:00.000-07:002008-07-08T09:41:00.000-07:00i bought my house in a neighborhood like the one d...i bought my house in a neighborhood like the one described here about six years ago. my way of heading off people's nonsensical fear-based reactions is to brag about my neighborhood. it's got the best food of nearly anywhere in town; it's got lots of family friendly parks; it's growing fast, yet still affordable for working families; and it's economically diverse (not all one income level or economic demographic - we get the full range here from rich to poor and everything in between). there isn't anywhere i'd rather live in this city. the "hipster" part of town is suffocatingly pretentious; the "upscale" areas are blindingly white; and the "quiet middle class" neighborhoods have been completely overrun by gentrification, house flippers, etc. and have lost their character. nobody gets to live in an enclave bigger than a single apartment complex here, because the one next door will invariably be of a completely different ethnic mix. the only thing i'd like to see improve here is the nightlife - but that's going to take a capital infusion from the hipsters, which could ruin this neighborhood. i guess that's the chance one has to take in this game. the most exciting thing i'm seeing here is the growth of locally owned small businesses, which i patronize at every opportunity, as do my neighbors. that kind of community spirit you can't buy for any money.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com