tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post1134958169884301399..comments2024-03-06T08:29:13.333-08:00Comments on stuff white people do: make casual racist comments to their non-white friendsmacon dhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07795547197817128339noreply@blogger.comBlogger108125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-56610943387105537022013-07-23T11:01:05.116-07:002013-07-23T11:01:05.116-07:00If more people were like RMJ the racial progress i...If more people were like RMJ the racial progress in this country would be more than just on the surface as it is now. The problem I see right now is that far too many people are willing to either give racists a pass and just let it slide or even be apologists for racists. The amount of people who are making excuses for George Zimmerman is astounding.kaymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10443982019337686773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-46710214826645889032010-07-05T09:47:43.680-07:002010-07-05T09:47:43.680-07:00I had a high school media teacher who often did th...I had a high school media teacher who often did the same thing. He'd refer to non-white students as "this Asian" young lady or "that black kid."<br /><br /> This is what I think people mean when they say "colorblind." However, I often stress that there's a difference between recognizing someone is of a different race and "dwelling" on the fact that someone is of a different race (what the poster's friend was doing).<br /><br />I would point out this difference to people who do this and emphasize learning someone's name, instead of identifying them by race only.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-81484507795457839212010-06-30T09:35:32.663-07:002010-06-30T09:35:32.663-07:00Soul said...
"With the disclaimer read super ...Soul said...<br />"With the disclaimer read super fast! you know this so needs to be created lol." <br /><br />Reminds me of the <a href="http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/happy-fun-ball/229058/" rel="nofollow">Happy Fun Ball</a> disclaimer on Saturday Night Live..<br />The brisk read-through is what made it so funny.M. Gibsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15412079628160690200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-22001299236750112542010-06-30T07:29:18.984-07:002010-06-30T07:29:18.984-07:00M.Gibson....
With the disclaimer read super fast!...M.Gibson....<br /><br />With the disclaimer read super fast!<br />you know this so needs to be created lol.soulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-68351212164696364612010-06-30T02:22:48.984-07:002010-06-30T02:22:48.984-07:00Soul said...
"Slogan slides in: F**k a black...Soul said... <br />"Slogan slides in: F**k a black person, today! For instant coolness and black knowledge."<br /><br />Whoops!<br />You forgot the traditional product disclaimer (In fine print of course).<br />"Saggy pants, Doo-rag; Glock and shiny Rims sold separately. Void where prohibited by law." "Plus Black" is a trademark of B-Boy International, a wholly owned subsidiary of, "White Guys Inc.." All products are herein provided without warranty; either expressed or implied, including but not limited to commodities duly deemed for suitability by White Guys Inc.. All Rights Reserved.<br /><br />Soul said...<br />"I remember that episode. It actually irritated me a lil. cos they did the joke and then bam... nothing. no depth no nothing anyway...."<br /><br />I agree...<br />The one thing you'll never see on a Seinfeld episode is "depth of character." These people were written expressly, to be shallow- neurotic and narcissistic; lacking of warmth- humanity and genuine empathy. To me that was part of the joke; collectively they were a mess and knew it.M. Gibsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15412079628160690200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-40544530507913164002010-06-29T20:00:14.049-07:002010-06-29T20:00:14.049-07:00@M.Gibson..
lol. I remember that episode. It actua...@M.Gibson..<br />lol. I remember that episode. It actually irritated me a lil. cos they did the joke and then bam... nothing. no depth no nothing anyway....<br /><br />and you know this is just begging for a sketch:<br />>>lighting strike!<<: more than mere man <br />>>thunder clap!:<< more than machine- <br />>>hurricane wind<< more than a fusion of the two<br />>>black/blank screen<< blacker than the darkest night<br />>>ghetto blaster playing eminem<< is down with the brothers.<br />.<br />slogan slides in: Fuck a black person, today! For instant coolness and black knowledge.soulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-42771462204857871702010-06-29T15:23:35.875-07:002010-06-29T15:23:35.875-07:00jas0nburns: It's fine to ask. Just be aware th...jas0nburns: It's fine to ask. Just be aware that there's a time and place for certain questions. "Reading the room" is a skill some need to develop. There's a lot of insight on this blog, in fact, on this thread alone. Perhaps you should take more time to process what is being said. <br /><br />Soul: LOL @ 'Plus Black' <br /><br />MinneB: I'm also in favor of sending the "friend" the link. It might be even more beneficial to provide her with portions of what is on it. Since the poster's "friend" is quite clueless/insensitive about race, many of the comments on here could just distract her.Octavianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-15989307574817716622010-06-29T12:35:36.250-07:002010-06-29T12:35:36.250-07:00Soul said...
@M.Gibson...
Didn't you know... F...Soul said...<br />@M.Gibson...<br />Didn't you know... F***ing a black person makes you 'Plus Black'. <br /><br />Reminds me of an episode from Seinfeld; Elaine thinks she's dating a black man, so she claims solidarity with the black waitress who serves her.<br /><br />"Waitress at Monk's, handing Elaine a menu: "Here you go."<br />Elaine, to the black waitress: "Long day?"<br />Waitress: "Yeah, I just worked a triple shift."<br />Elaine: "I hear ya, Sister."<br />Waitress: "Sister?"<br />Elaine, as Darryl comes into Monk's: "Yeah. It's OK. My boyfriend's black.<br />Here he is. See?"<br />Darryl: "Hi, Elaine."<br />Elaine: "Hey."<br />Waitress: "He's black?"<br />Elaine: "Yeah."<br />Darryl: "I'm black?"<br />Elaine: "Aren't you?"<br />Waitress, leaving: "I'll give you a couple minutes to decide."<br />Darryl: "What are you talking about?"<br />Elaine: "You're black. You said we were an interracial couple."<br />Darryl: "We are. Because you're Hispanic."<br />Elaine: "I am?"<br />Darryl: "Aren't you?"<br />Elaine: "No. Why would you think that?"<br />Darryl: "Your name's Benes, your hair, and you kept taking me to those<br />Spanish restaurants."<br />Elaine: "That's because I thought you were black."<br />Darryl: "Why would you take me to a Spanish restaurant because I'm black?"<br />Elaine: "I don't think we should be talking about this."<br />Darryl: "So, what are you?"<br />Elaine: "I'm white."<br />Darryl: "So, we're just a couple of white people?"<br />Elaine: "I guess."<br />Darryl: "Oh."<br />Elaine: "Yeah. So do you want to go to the Gap?"<br />Darryl, leaving with Elaine: "Sure."<br /><br />It’s OK for me to say Nigga, its OK for me to call you Brotha or Sista, because I’m dating a black person; therefore I couldn’t possibly be racist. I agree...he’s more than mere man, more than machine- more than a fusion of the two...<br />He’s...'Plus Black' man!M. Gibsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15412079628160690200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-79887481170489050082010-06-29T07:36:13.268-07:002010-06-29T07:36:13.268-07:00@Torn in Mississippi,
This is a "spot on&quo...@Torn in Mississippi, <br />This is a "spot on" discussion happening right here. Why not send her a link to the site?MinneBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-56478843789892481142010-06-29T06:27:52.313-07:002010-06-29T06:27:52.313-07:00@M.Gibson...
Didn't you know... Fucking a bla...@M.Gibson...<br /><br />Didn't you know... Fucking a black person makes you 'Plus Black'.soulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-87825769343768762842010-06-29T06:00:10.773-07:002010-06-29T06:00:10.773-07:00@Jasonburns
That's probably because the black...@Jasonburns<br /><br />That's probably because the black people are purposely ignoring this ridiculous diversion and distraction from the main topic. <br /><br />Sometimes we are tired of having white people over analysis the fuck out of an incident which we have <b>TOLD</b> them is racist.. only for them to be debating what the exceptions might be. Or some off topic piece of nonsense... that is completely irrelevant.<br /><br />Just stop it, already. <br /><br />Some of us are sitting here, rolling our eyes at how you have managed to change the direction of the convo to... 'how we can excuse some of the possibly racist things we do'.<br /><br />Its so transparent its damn near translucent.soulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-91917730910247365712010-06-29T04:42:25.841-07:002010-06-29T04:42:25.841-07:00"Do you see where I'm going with this?&qu..."Do you see where I'm going with this?"<br /><br />yeah and I was afraid it might come across that way. It wasn't that I hoped one POC would come in and draw me a diagram that I could whip out whenever needed. it's just that so far everyone who called me out was white and TBH i don't really consider WP authorities on the subject. I'm not just going to take a WP's word on the matter is what I mean, and just go with that. I probably shouldn't be asking anyway though.jas0nburnsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-26219822841213669912010-06-28T23:27:26.093-07:002010-06-28T23:27:26.093-07:00In fact!
@Torn in Mississippi:
Just so you know, ...In fact!<br /><br />@Torn in Mississippi:<br />Just so you know, I understood you perfectly from the get-go. I suppose I see why some people assumed you were white, but I dunno. I didn't. And this other stuff...? As noted, I didn't need all that other information— although: roller derby! ThatIsAwesome— and I read the same post...?<br /><br />I'd let it go, but for <i>"maybe I should've put more into it?"</i> Um, NO!<br /><br />Aaaaugh!<br />*tears hair out/rends clothes*<br /><br />. . .<br />I need to go to bed.karinovahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14324280726621881771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-84703626359656591022010-06-28T23:04:21.975-07:002010-06-28T23:04:21.975-07:00Oh, I know what it is.
It's that it sounds lik...Oh, I know what it is.<br />It's that it sounds like some people are having a hard time believing that the problem here <i>is, in fact, racism.</i> <br /><br />Well, it is.<br /><br /><br />I'm just sayin'.karinovahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14324280726621881771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-76402947611614001542010-06-28T22:53:49.984-07:002010-06-28T22:53:49.984-07:00Whoa, whoa, whoawhoawhoa.
What's all this side...Whoa, whoa, whoawhoawhoa.<br />What's all this sidebar about being amazed that this person "didn't know their names," and that somehow "oooh! well that changes eeeverything"? STOP.<br /><br />They're <i>teammates,</i> people.<br /><br /><br />This... is off, somehow.<br /><br />All the necessary details <i>are</i> there. I didn't need all of these extra reasons to understand that this situation is problematic. Cuuuz... the OP's entire stance is: <i>this is problematic.</i><br />Sounds some of you are looking for reasons not to believe... her? This? Look, I don't even know; I'm tired right now. But what's all this "but, wait, no, actually, it's okay to refer to someone by their race if this, or if <i>that,</i> or in that <b><i>one</i></b> case where it's surely got to be okay, and by god we're gonna suss it out!" nonsense? It's out of order. Even though I can't articulate exactly why right now.karinovahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14324280726621881771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-90651285560720258062010-06-28T22:51:28.592-07:002010-06-28T22:51:28.592-07:00@Jason....
You might want to read it over again ca...@Jason....<br />You might want to read it over again carefully.<br /><br />I repeat <b> nobody said using the word black as a descriptor is wrong</b> <br />What eva brought into question, was the odd use of black as a descriptor when others would perfectly suffice.<br /><br />I am black, I didn't address the 'black descriptor thing' because it is a nonsense and a stupid little thing that white people obsesses over.<br /><br />Its simple. Everytime you describe white people even in black company... you do not start off with 'He/SHe is white' (unless you are describing some racist event where you feature as the enlightened one)<br /><br />Simply so why do people ask silly questions with regards to 'black as a descriptor'? AS if black people are this unique breed of freak where regular rules don't apply.<br /><br />Skip with that nonsense.soulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-32610950193069075412010-06-28T19:13:12.927-07:002010-06-28T19:13:12.927-07:00I have been reading this blog for a while. This co...I have been reading this blog for a while. This conversation definitely brought me out of lurk mode. LOL I look forward to even more interesting discussions! <br /><br />Now...<br /><br />jas0nburns stated: <br /><br />1) "But I had hoped a POC commenter would jump in and comment on the black as a descriptor thing." <br /><br />Your words give the impression that one POC of color saying it's "okay" or "not okay" would decide the matter. What if the POC was Japanese-American and said it was okay for black to be used as a descriptor? Do you see where I'm going with this? If so, is that how you intended to come across? <br /><br />2) "So I'm still struggling with the othering vs. false colorblindness thing even though it's not relevant to the OP." <br /><br />Unless there is biological colorblindness, one can also easily notice that the only black person in an area is also wearing a red shirt---and use the red shirt as the identifier. It isn't false colorblindness to see someone's race and yet not have that be the focal point of your description of that person.Octavianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-37490179632487384552010-06-28T18:04:14.778-07:002010-06-28T18:04:14.778-07:00>>And I don't want to come across<<...>>And I don't want to come across<<jas0nburnsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-69261594266118063582010-06-28T16:34:15.960-07:002010-06-28T16:34:15.960-07:00@ soul
"nobody said simply using black as a ...@ soul<br /><br />"nobody said simply using black as a descriptor is wrong"<br /><br />actually EVA did. @ me<br /><br />Not defending shawn or contesting your broader point which I agree with. And I don't wan't comes across as whiney or demanding an explanation. But I had hoped a POC commenter would jump in and comment on the black as a descriptor thing. I always thought it was a non-issue but several commenters called me out for assuming it was not offensive even in a neutral context. So I'm still struggling with the othering vs. false colorblindness thing even though it's not relevant to the OP.jas0nburnsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-85194584397658851952010-06-28T16:14:40.446-07:002010-06-28T16:14:40.446-07:00Shawn, the OP's comment about the teammate'...Shawn, the OP's comment about the teammate's tone was in the original post ("...with that sort of inflection"). It was always there. I'm done participating in the derail now.Victoriahttp://vintagelux.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-15738200478406060812010-06-28T15:37:30.547-07:002010-06-28T15:37:30.547-07:00Shawn said...
“Yes, i happen to be white and i am...Shawn said... <br />“Yes, i happen to be white and i am always monitoring what i say and how i act because my fiancée is actually black.”<br /><br />And this little tidbit makes you an authority on the black experience? Things white people do: dub themselves experts on race when their partner is a Poc. Your fiancée may have opened your eyes to some things, but your naiveté is still showing. Moreover, did you notice how you went out of your way to mention that she’s black? As if having a black “significant other” precludes you from being racially obtuse yourself? Tell me, do you go around calling black men brother now? I mean with your black fiancée an all, we’re practically from the same hood now.M. Gibsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15412079628160690200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-4023925171300359902010-06-28T13:46:56.722-07:002010-06-28T13:46:56.722-07:00@shawn....
No your comment wasn't germane to t...@shawn....<br />No your comment wasn't germane to the point, it was completely obscure and out of the blue.... because nobody said simply using black as a descriptor is wrong.<br /><br />What you are doing is classic derailing. <br />You are arguing a point which no one is contesting. <br /><br />I do like the "acting racist" in quotes though... you do that round your fiance much? I mean the putting quotes around things.... <br /><br />Cos you know, we really need your endorsement to determine what is and isn't racist or when an act is or isn't racist.<br /><br />We've really been waiting for you to get with a black chick, learn a few things and then "enlighten us" (ohhhh I like those quotes now)<br /><br />SMHsoulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-55068795339127904772010-06-28T12:59:38.548-07:002010-06-28T12:59:38.548-07:00@ op
the fact that she knew their names aaaand th...@ op<br /><br />the fact that she knew their names aaaand that she used a tone clearly makes her actions different from what i was talking about in my previous comment. i never said what she was doing was or was not racist or rude. i was just stating my opinion on when i think it is perfectly fine to use such differentiators.<br /><br />@ victoria<br /><br />i was never really addressing the op in my comment, and thought it was clear that i was just stating a general opinion of mine that was germane to the subject matter. again, i never said that what she had done was or was not racist or rude.<br /><br />yes, i happen to be white and i am always monitoring what i say and how i act because my fiancée is actually black. she's definitely opened my eyes to a lot of subtle racist actions that i didn't understand until i met her. most of the comments here have all agreed that this woman's actions have racist roots and i agree. the tone of her voice, the knowledge of their names. it's wrong of her to act like that especially on a team of which she is a new member. there is a way to act courteous and respectful without the need to completely ignore someone's race for fear of "acting racist".クhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12327081344046514697noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-41570943172391385322010-06-28T09:58:21.810-07:002010-06-28T09:58:21.810-07:00@Hello, I am the writer of this email to Macon:
I...@Hello, I am the writer of this email to Macon:<br /><br />I'm so sorry that your teammate and friend that you care about doesn't treat you with respect like you deserve (actually, she's being a total asshole). And it's especially bad that, if (when) you point out how hurtful she's being, you face the possibility of loosing a friendship, or you face realizing that she wasn't really a friend in the first place. Or even the awful possibility that everyone might side against you. Ugh.<br /><br />In your email you said a lot of the comments are coming from a newer member of the team. Maybe you could talk with some teammates who've been there longer than this newbie- especially the other WOC, but also any whites who you think might at least be willing to listen and help you. That might help you gauge how you want to handle the situation. I mean, if they're dismissive (or pull out the white women's tears or just tell you to ignore it, etc...), I guess you have your answer- if they can't listen to you, their friend they should care about, then they aren't really your friends after all, and you don't owe them your friendship (*soul's post is absolutely right). And if they really are your friends, then they should be your allies and help confront her. Not because you *need* backup or validation (you are completely right to want to address racism-especially when it hurts you directly! Peacekeeping be damned!), but because your friends should be there for you, and you shouldn't have to deal with this alone.<br /><br />I know I've never been in this situation, so I don't know what you're going through personally. You sound like you have gotten a lot of enjoyment out of being on the team, so I'm hoping that some of your teammates will listen and understand you. (somewhat naively- I do love to think WP really do care at heart, even when that's definitely not always the case... swpd, I guess). I do wish you the best!NothingTooOddnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-47209122866763904872010-06-28T09:19:50.166-07:002010-06-28T09:19:50.166-07:00I had also assumed that the person referring to &q...I had also assumed that the person referring to "that black girl" had no idea of the person's name, and that the team wore uniforms, so race could be a differentiator, like being tall or red-haired or having a tattoo sleeve -- something people do notice. I don't play on any sports teams, so I don't know if people notice/remember numbers on uniforms.<br /><br />But the inflection on the word <i>black</i> is another thing entirely.Kaitnoreply@blogger.com