tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post942596875035771952..comments2024-03-06T08:29:13.333-08:00Comments on stuff white people do: play the ethnicity cardmacon dhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07795547197817128339noreply@blogger.comBlogger109125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-19201151843065600312012-09-23T00:42:06.518-07:002012-09-23T00:42:06.518-07:00Some of this confuses me. I am Jewish and I would...Some of this confuses me. I am Jewish and I would agree 100% that in the US, if you are white and Jewish you are party to white privilege....until people find out you are Jewish. I have been thrown out of a dinner party after admitting to being Jewish. Friends of mine stopped talking to me after they found I was Jewish. I've heard on the news/radio/TV numerous times that Jews are not white. So, it's confusing: we're white enough not to be a disadvantaged group (and as I said above I agree that we do experience white privilege), but different enough to be considered non-white by white christians. So what does that make us? Nothing and disliked by all. Which I guess is why I don't usually mention that I am Jewish. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-37515621023758468942012-03-25T10:58:13.237-07:002012-03-25T10:58:13.237-07:00What I gather is that if you are a person of color...What I gather is that if you are a person of color, no matter how many generations you stay in the country and no matter the level of education you achieve, you will always be cast with the "other." Whereas if you're white of any ethnicity (Jewish, Irish, Albanian, Arab, etc.), as long as your skin is white and you have western features, you will be accepted as a white person and will benefit from white privilege. That is why a white person have been oppressed in another country or in this country during a particular period, is not the same as someone with a different skin color who will be forever treated the same way.Jennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16764929035836703483noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-13765146316165321142011-09-15T14:11:26.847-07:002011-09-15T14:11:26.847-07:00Having a disclaimer in the subtitle of the blog is...Having a disclaimer in the subtitle of the blog isnt gonna change anything...the message is still clear "white people do this, white people do that" I'm white english with a mixed race son. I'm so happy he's going to grow up in a country that isn't so clearly riven into pieces by racial politics. What's the solution people? Keep bitchin? We gotta love a little more and hate a little less. Constructive debate, yes, but the moment you title a blog 'stuff white people do" you're throwing gasoline on the fire, whilst preaching to the converted. I'm a foreignor who's always admired the diversity of the US and the amazing possibilities thrown up by the collision of cultures (think jazz for example). I'm also a staunch defender of Americans when they face knee-jerk anti-americanism over here in Europe. I can't stand that bullshit patronising English attitude towards new worlders either. At the end of the day we have to understand we're increasingly living in a pluralistic society. I'm sooo excited about it. But the more we dwell on our differences, the more we exacerbate them. I don't want my son to be corralled into thinking this or thinking that, having to label himself one way or another through over-exposure to what I regard as politically correct totalitarian thought control. I want him growing up to have a deep respect for all whilst at the same time having a profound belief in his rights to his own choices regardless of society. Yeah, sure, he'll drop some clangers along the way, but at least he'll be an INDIVIDUAL.<br />If you want to make a change in this world, realise that it's not so much about race as about money/class and all the thought control people in power want to exert on those below them. We live in an increasingly consumerist culture that seems to have only one way of attributing value, multiplying distractions to appease our insatiability. Lets free ourselves from mind-numbing consumerism before we can really free ourselves. Insha'Allah.Joe Wrayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09527224686115567556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-778742409264432010-11-05T08:04:31.993-07:002010-11-05T08:04:31.993-07:00disait,
Nothing here is about ALL white people (...disait, <br /><br />Nothing here is about ALL white people (except the "social fact" that they're all considered white)--read the subtitle of the blog. <br /><br />If it ain't about you, then it ain't about you. <br /><br />I hope you feel less pissed off now.macon dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07795547197817128339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-42822837392321624942010-11-05T04:19:49.434-07:002010-11-05T04:19:49.434-07:00OK, so what i am seeing on this post is that ~ALL ...OK, so what i am seeing on this post is that ~ALL WHITE PEOPLE~ have it so much better, so they shouldn't even acknowledge ancestry that haa had a tougher time in the past? I have never actually heard an irish person call theirself not white, white is such a generic term anyway. Oh yes, the whole ~ALL WHITE PEOPLE~ play the minority or person from an ethnic background that has suffered card is so ignorant. Until you have talked to every white person and heard it from every white persons mouth, don't assume all play that stupid game. I hear about how racist and ignorant and prejudiced ~ALL WHITE PEOPLE~ are, but it is amazing when people discuss a bad experience and it becomes ~ALL WHITE PEOPLE~ that are responsible for that bad experience. Please stop putting ~ALL WHITE PEOPLE~ in the same category. That pisses me off so bad!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-72581800752037723042010-10-23T03:25:36.745-07:002010-10-23T03:25:36.745-07:00@j2j
I think you need to learn the difference bet...@j2j<br /><br />I think you need to learn the difference between a visible minoritiy and an invisible one. As a gay male I am very conscious of the fact that I live in a heterocentric society. Since I don't speak with a lisp and I don't wear flamboyant clothing, people automatically assume I'm straight. They'll find it okay to voice their anti-gay bigotry right to my face since they feel they're in safe company. That isn't hurtful? That's not the mention the liberal use of gay slurs without any regard for who might be listening. As an autistic person, I'm also very aware of the ways in which society is not structured in my favor in that regard, too.<br /><br />I would never, ever try to compare my experiences with those of black people, though. The form of societal bias visible minorities is just too different from the form of societal bias against invisible minorities. The simple fact of the matter is that all these forms of bias are negative.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03812720150203266542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-9948210334931365712010-10-23T03:12:55.862-07:002010-10-23T03:12:55.862-07:00@ Interested
You are EXACTLY the kind of person t...@ Interested<br /><br />You are EXACTLY the kind of person this article is refering to!<br /><br />"I'm a little unnerved that Jewish People are being included in this 'common white tendency'. I really don't think that you can compare the experience of a completely assimilated white american with Irish heritage to a Jewish american."<br /><br />Really? Why not? Let's look at your reasons why:<br /><br />"Mane Jewish people are recognizable by name..."<br /><br />Last month, I was giving a friend of mine a tour of Lancaster County, PA. She remarked about all the "Jewish" names of the local businesses... But the names weren't "Jewish", they were German. Central PA attracted a large German population in colonial times, and to this day it retains a certain German character to it. Moral of the story is, "Jewish" names aren't really any more distinctive than other white ethnic names, like O'Neil or Rossi, especially since more-or-less "completely assimilated white Americans" with German heritage can have the same or similar surnames.<br /><br />"and appearance"<br /><br />...If we're going by stereotypes, that is. Does Alicia Silverstone look particularly different from other white Americans to you? The stereotypical Irishman has pale skin, freckles, green eyes, and red hair. The stereotypical Swede is tall with blond hair and blue eyes. The stereotypical Sicilian has tan skin, brown eyes, and coarse, jet-black hair. That doesn't mean everyone with those heritages looks like that, nor that everyone with those appearances has those respective heritages.<br /><br />"and still face overt ethnic discrimination in this country and most others. They may have come from Europe, but their immigrant experience and their continued experience in America is very, very different from your average white American."<br /><br />...Just like every European ethnic group has and continues to have its own unique experience in the United States. Sure, Jewish Americans have faced discrimination in this country. So have the Irish, the Italians, and many other groups that now share white privilege. Did you not read the original article?<br /><br />"In addition, unlike most white Americans of Italian or Irish decent, for example, many Jewish people, even families who have lived in the US for generations, are not fully assimilated into the dominant culture! They are often members of a tight-knit cultural community with different customs, food, dress and worldview than the white majority"<br /><br />Other white ethnic groups don't have their own communities and customs? You don't really get out much, do you?<br /><br />"(not to mention religion, if they are practicing Jews)."<br /><br />It's great to paint all Christian sects with the same brush, isn't it? To be Amish is very different from Catholic which in turn is different from Pentecostal. And then there are all of the nonreligious, agnostic, and atheist non-Jewish whites whose beliefs aren't that different from the large number of nonreligious, agnostic, and atheist Jewish Americans.<br /><br />"Of course, saying, 'but I'm Jewish, so I can't be a racist' is just idiotic, but Jewish people share many experiences with other PoC in terms of racism, and I think we can learn from their experiences as much as other PoC. I find it rather offensive to downplay the oppression that the Jewish diaspora continues to endure just because they come from Europe, or their skin is "closer to white" than some other PoC. I hope that's not what anyone was implying. I really don't want this to devolve into a 'who is more oppressed?!?" kind of conversation.'"<br /><br />This is such an odd paragraph, because the "who is more oppressed" game is exactly what you are doing when you try to play up the white Jewish American experience as being exclusively different from other white Americans.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03812720150203266542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-45807053629641314152010-04-18T10:01:58.872-07:002010-04-18T10:01:58.872-07:00@j2j
Are you joking? Of course there's hetero...@j2j<br /><br />Are you joking? Of course there's heterosexual privilege.<br /><br />I was going make a list myself but I googled "heterosexual privilege" and got a more <a href="http://www.cs.earlham.edu/~hyrax/personal/files/student_res/straightprivilege.htm" rel="nofollow">extensive list</a> then I would've been able to think of unless I put aside a significant amount of time to think about it. So yeah, have a read of that and tell me again that straight people do not have heterosexual privilege.<br /><br />White priviledge is going to be a different kind of animal, that certainly is true, but I'm incredibly frustrated with the way you completely dismissed what gay people go through and the benefits straight people benefit from.Greynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-75003024904644244972010-04-18T08:13:41.156-07:002010-04-18T08:13:41.156-07:00SWPD: treat all systems of oppression the same way...SWPD: treat all systems of oppression the same way.<br /><br />Signed,<br /><br />Queer Black Jewish woman.RVCBardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06481089855894764409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-88319858550130703982010-04-18T07:17:14.023-07:002010-04-18T07:17:14.023-07:00First off, nice jumping in to the conversation a m...First off, nice jumping in to the conversation a month later, Dana! Second, there is no such thing as hetero privilege, because just like the whopping majority of white ethnicities, outside of action on the part of the so called downtrodden proclaiming their involvement in a particular oppressed group, no one can look at a gay person and tell that they are gay. They can make an assumption, but if you look at someone who is black, that doesn't wash off and can't be hidden. In America, Gays, Jews, etc. experience much more self segregation and self oppression than that blacks get by looking the part. That is the point.j2jnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-7266866551011506972010-04-08T21:52:48.825-07:002010-04-08T21:52:48.825-07:00@j2j: seriously? are you in that much denial over...@j2j: seriously? are you in that much denial over heterosexual privilege? I don't deny that POC face some serious oppression issues. But you don't usually get kicked out of your home for being black, or told you can't get married to another black person. Let's face it, if Laquisha Johnson applies for a job, especially if she has worked for say, a black christian organization (many of which, let's face it, don't hesitate in denying marriage rights to same sex couples of all races), she's going to get treated A LOT better then say, a lesbian or bisexual women (or man, or even worse a transgender person) of any color who has worked for say, "The Gay and Lesbian Taskforce" and put that down on their resume. And look at how LBGT people of color are treated and shunned in their own communities. You don't want white people to deny white privilege, you're right, they shouldn't. But don't be a hypocrite and deny your hetero privilege.Dananoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-69839249081048810542010-03-25T06:52:05.192-07:002010-03-25T06:52:05.192-07:00@Ben---So noted. Using the examples of racial real...@Ben---So noted. Using the examples of racial realists and eugenicts (sp) may be offensive, but the belief in White Jewish intellectual capacity goes back centuries.” They” have only articulated in a ham hocked semi reasonable way, what most people in the mainstream believe albeit grudgingly. That meme has only recently been quantified to enhance white racial superiority even though ironically, Jews have in the past, been traditionally seen as an ethnic other. Most people, if asked to describe a Jewish person would include intelligent, if not crafty devious or rulers of a secret society for the most paranoid and delusional. The same could not be said of Black people, who have consistently been denigrated in legitimate science (see Watson among others) and pseudoscience as stunted sub-humans on par with apes. <br /><br />Whatever the case, I agree with your example, that in these modern times and in this century, White Jewish people are evaluated as White and despite the underlying anti-Semitism in some parts of America, have always been intensely embedded in every capacity from banking , academia, to science and politics in which their intellectual supremacy is beyond dispute and thus continues to enhance a white ideal.Dark Moonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01051316480970381291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-11190311919539166002010-03-23T20:13:20.076-07:002010-03-23T20:13:20.076-07:00@Dark Moon
A long while back, I was walking in a b...@Dark Moon<br />A long while back, I was walking in a bookshop with my grandma. I saw a copy of "Stuff White People Like" in its paperback form, read the back, and decided it was just the type of satire I was looking for. I showed it to my grandma, who said, "Oh, don't get that. It's talking about WASPs, not people like <i>us</i>. After hearing an explanation of a WASP, I said "Well, the cover doesn't say 'Stuff White Anglo Saxon Protestants Like'. It says 'Stuff White People Like', and I'm certainly not black." Grandma was not very happy with me.<br /><br />Also, "Jews are smart" is Social Darwinism, which is pseudoscience, which is unacceptable. Period. Even though I know you weren't attempting to validate it, the very mention of such a stupid, arrogant, <i>dated</i> philosophy offends my eyes.Benhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02446020225736422284noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-72654531141697180172010-03-22T19:14:09.985-07:002010-03-22T19:14:09.985-07:00doubt and assume that she didn't know this, th...doubt and assume that she didn't know this, the "Ashkenazi Jews are smart" stereotype originated out of a survival-of-the-fittest notion that only the "smart Jews" could survive the Holocaust. It's pretty insensitive when people throw it out there.<br />**********************<br /><br />Most people don't know that. The Jews are smart meme has been repeated by White Jews and has been used in tomes like the Bell Curve to prove the heritability of Jewish Genius. Whatever you may think Charles Murray and Herrnstein and the validity of their “research”, their views have continually confirmed the social assumption that even though some Jews are not quite White and are insular, at least they are smart. Nobel winners, scientists, thinkers, and musicians are also used as evidence that Jews have a genetic gift of being naturally smart since an overwhelming percetnage of Nobel winners et al have been White Jews. It goes even further back in Europe, in that Jews are always seen as crafty, scheming, and miserly, from the Renaissance, to Shakespeare's own Merchant of Venice but at least they are smart. <br /><br />The Jews are smart meme, may have had deeper resonance to the Holocaust, but most average Americans don’t know about that comparison since they are often thinking of European traditional meanings, before Hitler and how Jews interacted when they came to this country in large numbers as being insular, usuries, but smart. <br /><br />Still an American White Jew’s experience may be different than a WASP, but I just don’t see how a person who is white and is evaluated as White, especially with the assumption that you are just naturally smart, is in any way comparably to Blacks who have been told for at least 5 centuries that we are sub human genetic throwbacks. If that’s playing oppression Olympics oh well, I would rather be seen as smart, as opposed to a lip dribbling monkey with no discernible gray matter.<br /><br />The two experiences are incompatible.Dark Moonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01051316480970381291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-87770506300000277002010-03-22T13:56:26.742-07:002010-03-22T13:56:26.742-07:00Where do you get the idea that anybody is trying t...Where do you get the idea that anybody is trying to deny your struggles, CB? I sure as hell haven't said anything about your experiences.<br /><br />And yes, if you pull out stereotypes with that kind of origin against a group of people in your argument, you're a dick. I don't care what color your skin is, IT'S A BAD THING. Go ahead and insert some "cry more whitey" derailment jizz at this, but I haven't seen any of us white Jews doing it to anyone else here.<br /><br />This is the absolutely last time I'm replying to you, because I will admit that my previous address to you is a shitty way to end an argument. You're only going to throw out Oppression Olympics and Derailment Memes no matter what point anyone makes.Kvetchin'noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-20240256531721353662010-03-22T13:40:52.602-07:002010-03-22T13:40:52.602-07:00Oh look, ye olde fallback spin of the Whitey derai...Oh <i>look</i>, ye olde fallback spin of the Whitey derailment "POC pointing out my privilege and racism is in fact racist against meeee!" Only substitute "racist" with "anti-semitic/homophobic/classist" etc.<br /><br />Oh, and by the way Kvetchin', I'm a transracial, transnational, child trafficking & abuse survivor with a white Jewish adoptive mother. And that's just SOME of the clusterfucked intersectionality I live every single fucking day.<br /><br />And while I'm completely inured to the denial of ANY part of my adoptive matrilineal heritage at this point in my life (because dear god, the orphaned child of a lesser god doesn't actually count as one's 'OWN'!!!!11), your spitting self-righteousness of knowing nothing about "YOUR" history and "YOUR" culture is much rarer. <br /><br />(Don't go thinking you're a snowflake yet - I've still encountered it plenty, though oddly enough only from <i>white</i> Jews.)<br /><br />LOL, even the most vainglorious douchebags try to glean some <i>slight</i> knowledge of their perceived inferior <i>before</i> they volley statements that would be absurdly arrogant no matter WHO my mother is, lest they make completely disgraceful fools of themselves.<br /><br />No wonder you're so so clever at turning phrases regarding assumptions, you're so used to living them.<br /><br />Your little tantrum is especially pathetic seeing as I actually <i>know</i> white Jews who'd be just as clear to call you out on your racist, derailing bullshit. <br /><br />I'm sure you know plenty of POC Jews who'll back up your Whitey D-Dance and your shallow, less-than-remedial awareness of race as a SOCIAL CONSTRUCT - not that you need invoke them, seeing as you already pretty much speak for all Jews against a POC who dares raise their voice above obeisance to Whitey-Knows-Best.<br /><br />And a reminder to ell to ell - ONLY WHITE PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO BE SARCASTIC ABOUT OPPRESSION. THEY are entitled to speak for and educate us about our own experiences, citing their privilege and the tone argument even while exercising both furiously, <i>capiche?</i><br /><br />Peace out; these white fools have derailed this thread so thoroughly now that it's bushwacking through pine trees.CBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-80180018201534885172010-03-22T12:08:10.481-07:002010-03-22T12:08:10.481-07:00@ Kvetchin'
Very good point.@ Kvetchin'<br /><br />Very good point.lurp (is commenting yet again)noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-4251733800165698392010-03-22T07:52:17.874-07:002010-03-22T07:52:17.874-07:00@Lurp: Not to mention, though I will give ell to e...@Lurp: Not to mention, though I will give ell to ell the benefit of the doubt and assume that she didn't know this, the "Ashkenazi Jews are smart" stereotype originated out of a survival-of-the-fittest notion that only the "smart Jews" could survive the Holocaust. It's pretty insensitive when people throw it out there.Kvetchin'noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-60954434066877021512010-03-22T06:41:58.583-07:002010-03-22T06:41:58.583-07:00@ Michael,
do you think it's productive to di...@ Michael,<br /><br /><i>do you think it's productive to distinguish between the 'internal' and 'external' aspects of privilege?</i><br /><br />I think it's illuminating for purposes of this discussion. I think, too, there are other subtypes of privilege that could possibly be broken down -- lingering historical privilege, for example, vs. privilege arising from stuff still being enacted today. Cat introduced and I ran with the example of the GI Bill, which is often cited as something that has privileged whites. Even a white family living in total poverty today benefits in a way that its black counterpart doesn't, because 50 or 100 years ago, someone gave their white ancestors some student loans or some land. A mixed person who often "passes" as white will still be victimized by this historical dynamic, since presumably many of his ancestors did not likewise "pass." <br /><br />This lingering historical oppression is something I think some ethnic whites -- including, yes, some Ashkenazi Jews -- can legitimately claim, too. <br /><br />My instinct is it probably does make sense to say some people have more white privilege than others -- some people benefit from both the internal and external, historical and contemporary aspects, while others may benefit from only one or two of the above. For some reason, though, thinking about whiteness/POC status as a continuum rather than a binary feels heretical to me. I'm not sure why.lurpnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-75524110321046272672010-03-21T22:19:18.075-07:002010-03-21T22:19:18.075-07:00I'm very disturbed that people automatically a...I'm very disturbed that people automatically assume that Jewish = white. It does NOT. 'Jewish' is a religious affiliation, NOT an ethnicity. What about non-white Jews? They're constantly ignored. What, do they not matter because they're not white? Does it not matter if they sufferend during the Holocaust too, and WHY do people seem to enjoy bringing up the Holocaust topic, always trying to compare one group's suffering to another? It's just as absurd as assuming all Muslims are Arab or from the Middle East, and all Christians are white. How come no one's seemed to realize the white privilege that comes with saying who gets to be in which religion, but completely ignoring the actual people IN each religion? Also, about the ancestry thing. As a black female, I will NEVER know who my ancestors are or where they came from or anything about them. As far as I'm concerned, my family's history doesn't exist beyond America (the education system and media only help to repeat this, as any time black people are discussed it's ONLY in the context of dealing with white people, as if we just magically appeared out of nowhere once white people ran into Africa - nevermind that every place in Africa had its own rich history and traditions long BEFORE non-black people even knew we existed or had established their great civilizations). Forget WHITE privilege, that's a privilege most ANYONE who isn't a Black American can take advantage of. I'll NEVER know where exactly I come from. I can't think of any other group of people who can say that.Jade_Xnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-52483723718465986072010-03-21T20:40:04.950-07:002010-03-21T20:40:04.950-07:00'Kay, CB, you're right, I'm wrong, and...'Kay, CB, you're right, I'm wrong, and I'll just go back to eating bagels and ruining economies now. Shalom!Kvetchin'noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-48476269700239839142010-03-21T18:44:29.676-07:002010-03-21T18:44:29.676-07:00@Kvetchin': And if you "actually" kn...@Kvetchin': And if you "actually" knew anything about race and white privilege, you wouldn't be executing such intricate yet shallow Whitey D-Dance maneuvers in an attempt to cover your ass by earnestly (grudgingly) citing your white privilege, only to then bust out such gems like <b>"[b]ut I don't think that everyone who benefits from white privilege automatically qualifies as white."</b><br /><br />You know, POC can actually <i>see for themselves</i> the self-defeating "logic" of white privilege apologists, and it's pretty fucking ridiculous when you revert to White Condescenscion(tm) mode, dismissing the basic powers of observation of nonwhites as assumptions. Or "Assumption Bus," as you put it. Dayum, that's some white-hot wit ya got there.<br /><br />I'll just give it up for another shining instance of a white privileged person talking down to a POC in an antiracist context! And just because you're Jewish, or gay, or poor or anything else, does NOT absolve you of such unintentionally(?) racist douchebaggery.<br /><br />And just to circumvent further attempts at derailing, you don't know anything about me or the intersectionality of racism with other types of oppression I experience <b>firsthand.</b><br /><br />On that note, it's interesting just how easily you seem to speak for Jews lacking white privilege, despite possessing it yourself.Commie Bastardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-82907096942959812982010-03-21T11:30:23.300-07:002010-03-21T11:30:23.300-07:00@Michael: Then I think we've reached an agreem...@Michael: Then I think we've reached an agreement here. Nice debating with you! :)Kvetchin'noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-21130158287393249982010-03-21T10:25:06.300-07:002010-03-21T10:25:06.300-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14056971867293735071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-23461058601422000892010-03-21T09:26:47.430-07:002010-03-21T09:26:47.430-07:00@lurp
"I think I called this a "stupid ...@lurp<br /><br />"I think I called this a "stupid line of inquiry" (so I guess I'm unsurprised that you've pursued it)"<br /><br />"I don't see how any intelligent person could construe that to mean, 'Jews were more oppressed during the holocaust and are more oppressed in Europe today than any single population evar.' Is that how you construed it?"<br /><br />Wow, lurp. Really? Base insults against intellect? If someone disagrees with you, they must be un-intelligent, and here I thought the rest of us, even Manju, were having a constuctive conversation about receiving the benefits of white privilege vs. hiding behind one's ethncity, and how white jews fit into that or not. But then again, we all know about Ashkenazi intelligence, don't we? How mighty white of you.<br /><br />I guess I should take my black goyim self and watch some NCAA games since obviously this conversion is too cerebral to become a part of. I guess I'm not privileged enough.ell to ellnoreply@blogger.com