tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post8531846370702811478..comments2024-03-06T08:29:13.333-08:00Comments on stuff white people do: expect black people to behave better in public than white people domacon dhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07795547197817128339noreply@blogger.comBlogger76125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-82742369914219706752010-06-25T08:52:51.077-07:002010-06-25T08:52:51.077-07:00Yes, well, it is a typical white tendency to try t...Yes, well, it is a typical white tendency to try to monopolise everything, and by the way I am not being racist, just stating my point.<br /><br />Anyway, I was walking down the steps of a tube station in London, I had just been to a training session to train some staff on the use of some equipment. I was smartly dressed. The equipment I had was in a very large hessian bag and was heavy. I was walking down the steps entering the tube station when an elderly, well she looked elderly although I could tell she wasn't that old, probably in her late fifties or so with straggly looking hair, walking behind me tells me in exactly these words "can you get your bag out of the way". I was so shocked by the rudeness that I just remained calm turned around and told her that her comments were very rude. "Well, she says, I am trying to pass and your big bag is in the way, so move out of the way". Now, I was brought up well and just had a great day so, and I took a deep breath and carried on walking but I told this woman again that she was extremely rude to which she started to cuss me out and abuse me verbally as we walked onto the platform. A white man standing on the platform was looking at us as we approached and I said to the woman "you obviously must be suffering from PMT or menopause and appear to be quite obviously frustrated"....LOL<br /><br />I am just so sick of the superior and the feelings of entitlement all the time. Why do some white people feel they are entitled to be rude to black people for no valid reason, jump the queue to be served first while everyone else has been queuing up for ages, talk louder in public etc, just because of skin colour. This is just so ridiculous!<br /><br />By the way, I get along fine with a number of white pweople, but it just gets on my last nerve the behaviour from SOME white people who just spoil it for the rest of the population, and for no apparent reason at all.<br /><br />I also notice that some white people do not like to see successful black people. It seems to make them angry, probably again because of that monopolisation and I have to own everything and nobody else should mentality.Antonia - Beauty Health Finance and Green Issues Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18105675673609631392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-11091124109695628222010-06-05T12:15:01.790-07:002010-06-05T12:15:01.790-07:00Wow, this is timely! I'm a young non-white wo...Wow, this is timely! I'm a young non-white woman. At a graduation YESTERDAY that took place in a stadium where I was in the audience, some ROTC students brought a flag out on the field. Suddenly, from behind me, this elderly white woman tells me in a snide voice, "You're supposed to stand when the flag passes, my dear." I just glanced back at her and smiled. First of all, in the program, it was indicated when we were to stand, and that wasn't one of the times. Secondly, the principal invited us to stand AFTER the flag was in place. Then later, after the white woman's graduate's name was called, she and her family left in the middle of the ceremony - something other families, mainly white, did as well. It was all I could do not to turn to her as she disrupted the ceremony and say, "You're supposed to have the courtesy to wait until the ceremony ends and to honor all the graduates before leaving, my dear." But seriously, sassiness aside, when you're two generations younger than a white person and at a graduation ceremony, is there a way you can ? should? respectfully address the situation. In other words, on this thread we've talked about white people's responsibility to address racism - what should I as a non-white person have done?Bingonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-39226403229147339192010-06-04T16:38:35.137-07:002010-06-04T16:38:35.137-07:00[Nikki, you can write to me about that at unmaking...[Nikki, you can write to me about that at unmakingmacon AT gmail DOT com ~macon]macon dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07795547197817128339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-80487698687092841982010-05-31T17:35:40.062-07:002010-05-31T17:35:40.062-07:00@izzy--
i do not believe i am the only person to ...@izzy--<br /><br />i do not believe i am the only person to ever date someone whose family is more or less disagreeable. we can't necessarily control who we're related to, but we can limit contact with those people.FilthyGrandeurhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08939478425921080818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-13833498676952832272010-05-31T15:07:27.236-07:002010-05-31T15:07:27.236-07:00griddler,
I already do, as long as they more or l...griddler,<br /><br />I already do, as long as they more or less adhere to the "commenting guidelines."macon dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07795547197817128339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-38185909092212063162010-05-31T15:06:30.857-07:002010-05-31T15:06:30.857-07:00@soul
I wish someone anyone could point out where...@soul<br /><br />I wish someone anyone could point out where anyone on this particular thread called Eurasian whatever a racist before he proclaimed the insult himself.<br /><br />Rochelle said: <br /><br /><'Attack'? Ha. Right. That was a very long comment, you know you could've just said 'Darkies, be grateful' and be concise about it.><br /><br />Witchsistah said:<br /><br /><br /><br />(Macon, would you please post comments from POC who don't tow the blog line?)griddlernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-81190775010060244912010-05-31T14:14:22.953-07:002010-05-31T14:14:22.953-07:00Why don't you get away from these people, boyf...Why don't you get away from these people, boyfriend included?izzynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-84481654212986137392010-05-31T02:50:33.784-07:002010-05-31T02:50:33.784-07:00and I'll say this again.
Tell a rape victim t...and I'll say this again.<br /><br />Tell a rape victim to speak gently to someone who doesn't stand up to a rapist.<br /><br />I wish someone anyone could point out where anyone on this particular thread called Eurasian whatever a racist before he proclaimed the insult himself.<br /><br />What nonsense!<br /><br />The irony: On a thread labeled 'expect black people to behave better in public than white people do'<br /><br />We have Eurasian scolding black people asking them: 'to be more forgiving when confronted with people who wont stand up for them when insulted than white people are'<br /><br />and then has the audacity to suggest that people should try to understand his words.<br /><br />We understood them already boss massa.<br /><br />We s'pose sit ova dere suh n lissen suh as ms anne lissen to boss massa call us names suh n we fanks miss anne for we knows her heart is true suh n she lubs us suh.<br /><br />Yess we knowwwws it suh<br />sure as the day is longsoulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-41783857842689695742010-05-31T00:22:04.845-07:002010-05-31T00:22:04.845-07:00@ Eurasian Sensation
I hope you realize the value ...@ Eurasian Sensation<br />I hope you realize the value to be gained from ALL of the replies to your posts. Folks here have (a) given you every reason to change your view about WP needing a sliding scale for being anti-racist because "sometimes it's hard," (b) given you a glimpse of insight about how hurtful and damaging it is to POC to face this entitlement that WP somehow deserve training wheels for choosing when to be anti-racist, and (c) given you a lot of reasons to reflect on why you would think and say these things. Those responses are a gift...use it. To ask for courtesy is a slap in the face.<br /><br />Your posts have drawn me out from being a lurker...probably because the kind of excuse-making you initially advocated for is something I see way too much of in myself.<br /><br />And if anyone takes anything away from my comment, it might be worth revisiting RVCBard's comment in this thread: "why do White folks act like they don't have to read or listen carefully to understand what a POC is saying? Why are nuance and depth so hard for White people to accept coming from POCs?"Brigantornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-83004320874047013032010-05-30T19:16:04.994-07:002010-05-30T19:16:04.994-07:00@ Colin,
I appreciate the way you have explained ...@ Colin,<br /><br />I appreciate the way you have explained your point of view.<br /><br />I'm a bit puzzled by your description of me "lashing out" in the context of all the comments made here. <br />I don't want to get into a whole "he started it/ she started it" thing, so let me just say this: There are a lot of interpretations and assumptions being made here (and I'm not saying I'm exempt from doing it). I personally do not see my initial comment as either "harshly critical", "callous" or "passive aggressive". <br /><br />I'll take on your point and try to understand the others' perspectives, but I hope the same courtesy extends to me as well.<br /><br />That's it from me.Eurasian Sensationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03486297795353354329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-87368804071414876182010-05-30T12:03:25.154-07:002010-05-30T12:03:25.154-07:00@Eurasian Sensation,
I've noticed that you'...@Eurasian Sensation,<br />I've noticed that you're asking people of color to "understand", but I don't notice you talking about people of color being "understood" when we can't even catch a break at our graduation! <br /><br /><i>"It's fine for you to disagree with me. But if you are going to accuse me of being racist against you, then show the evidence. Someone of a different race disagreeing with you is not racism, last time I checked."</i><br /><br />That's one surefire way to disengage and derail. Instead of trying to use some of that patented understanding of where Witchsistah and Rochelle are coming from, you lash out. Understanding for the white people who're NOT SPEAKING UP, and none for POC actually speaking up. I mean can you see where they're coming from? Seeing your most recent posts is incredibly upsetting on a <b><i>supposedly</i></b> anti-racist blog.<br /><br />I get your point, and I understand that there are times where people don't speak up when they should; it's happened to me, and probably still will in the future. That said, to so callously disregard the opinions of women of color as: (1) being merely dismissive, <br />(2) to imply heavily that by responding to this stark difference in reaction to the white woman's inaction and the women of color's strong statements, Witchsistah and Rochelle are calling you a racist and, <br />(3) by saying you don't have a problem with criticizing white inaction but then being harshly critical and passive-aggressive toward the POC who do that criticizing,<br /><br />I don't see how this isn't racist behavior. I'm not calling you a racist; I don't know what's in your head, but I see a large disparity in judgment for people of color and a huge benefit of the doubt for white people. I see you falling back on tried-and-true racist tactics for defeating POC in a discussion; just say you were personally called a racist. I see tone issues pop up for you and those tone arguments only seem to come up when women of color are speaking. So, like I said, for these reasons alone, while you may be a saint, the actions on the thread that have been messed, and I don't think I nor any other POC on here deserve to be so dismissed as being implied as shrill, overly harsh, nor callous. And especially not when we've had to be the careful, overly careful in fact, talkers in white-dominated spaces like this one throughout our lives. <br /><br />Also, do not, please, please do not come to me talking about harsh circumstances for merely speaking out. I don't think I'm callous; it's just that I understand the consequences of white people NOT SPEAKING OUT very well.<br /><br />If you care to try to understand other people's situations, try to understand POC's. And if you say you do, then think about it next time you worry about the feelings of white activists when POC get all angry and dismissive of them.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02355222349215451070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-75147551671182433272010-05-29T16:37:50.087-07:002010-05-29T16:37:50.087-07:00@ Juan:
perhaps I have a different interpretation...@ Juan:<br /><br />perhaps I have a different interpretation of these quotes:<br /><br /><i>"you know you could've just said 'Darkies, be grateful' and be concise about it."<br /><br />"I MAY have had more respect for you if you'd just come out and told our nigger bitch asses to shut the fuck up instead of the passive-aggressive bullshit you posted."</i><br /><br />In any case, I have no problem with questioning why Sheri did or didn't do something. I don't feel sorry for her; I'm just trying to have some understanding for the position she was in, rather than just dismissing her as spineless.Eurasian Sensationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03486297795353354329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-15786073009734205472010-05-29T12:34:18.894-07:002010-05-29T12:34:18.894-07:00@eurasian sensation
Pay attention. No one even cal...@eurasian sensation<br />Pay attention. No one even called you racist. What's being disagreed with is your bullshitting apologetics that mean we have to feel sorry for the witness and not the victim(s) (present or not) of an injustice. <br /><br />Yes, a bystander or witness can feel ashamed for allowing or uninterrupted an injustice perpetrated before them, but they are not allowed the luxury of not be called out on their in-action. Especially by the afflicted target(s) of injustice.<br /><br />@PlusSizedWomanist<br /><br />Even though I'm not surprised I still gotta say "wow" to that. And no one stepped in afterwards, said anything or escorted them? smdhJuannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-47210584749923473612010-05-29T00:41:38.976-07:002010-05-29T00:41:38.976-07:00I just encountered a moment like this today. I was...I just encountered a moment like this today. I was shopping with my aunt and uncle for barbecuing on Sunday. We went into Super Kmart, and my aunt pointed to a white father and son who were consistently fighting up and down the aisles, with the father finally pinning the son down to the ground in a headlock. The son was maybe 15 years old, and was kicking and screaming all the way through. <br /><br />Throughout the entire ordeal, not a single staff person came over and said "You are being disorderly, and you need to leave." NOT. ONE. But let that have been a black father and son doing the same thing, the police would have been called. <br /><br />The white privilege was rampant.PlusSizedWomanistnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-21348173889915809072010-05-28T22:25:32.213-07:002010-05-28T22:25:32.213-07:00@ Rochelle and Witchsistah:
It's fine for you...@ Rochelle and Witchsistah:<br /><br />It's fine for you to disagree with me. But if you are going to accuse me of being racist against you, then show the evidence. Someone of a different race disagreeing with you is not racism, last time I checked.<br /><br />If we're truthful, all or most of us have been in a situation where we have witnessed some kind of injustice (be it racist or otherwise) and not spoken up against it, and felt ashamed later. <br /><br />I don't think Sheri is looking for congratulations for being anti-racist. I'd wager she feels shit about not speaking up. From the context, it sounds like she is engaged in a constant battle against the racism and other hateful qualities of her prospective in-laws. Because I'm not in that situation, I don't think it's my place to judge her for what she did or didn't do in that particular instant.Eurasian Sensationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03486297795353354329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-38504127606184519982010-05-28T18:55:46.624-07:002010-05-28T18:55:46.624-07:00Soul said...
"Why are they so blind that they...Soul said...<br />"Why are they so blind that they can't realize that racism is all those things and then some?"<br /><br />Only when its applied to them do the curtains part enough for reason/empathy to peak through. Read a case about reverse racism; the way a white victim tells it they were simply devastated to be denied opportunity because of the color of their skin. <br /><br />Because of the narcissistic manner in which privilege preys on the mind, white victims of inequity can’t make the connection with how this injury affects minorities all the time. If you’ve never been the victim of the pain caused by racism; if the sum total of your life has been framed by privilege, then at best- racism is an exercise in academics and nothing more.M. Gibsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15412079628160690200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-7396529046527819982010-05-28T17:11:16.482-07:002010-05-28T17:11:16.482-07:00It's the nature of the Internet and blogs that...It's the nature of the Internet and blogs that people tell it like it is and the light hearted get offended. Probably why their gobs more lurkers then commentators.Tit for tat and having to have the last word is part of the game.If it wasn't antagonistic I wouldn't learn much...Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00985247445476558468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-24062363941662329812010-05-28T16:25:22.231-07:002010-05-28T16:25:22.231-07:00It would shock me honestly, for a white person to ...It would shock me honestly, for a white person to stand up to racism in their own lives, so to hear her say she regrets not doing something, I just about glossed over it. Par for the course. White person says they're an ally, and does diddly f'n squat when given the chance. I could see how that sort of anti-racism, the kind where pain, hurt and sacrifice are not a part, where uncomfortability and tension are thrown overboard so nervous whites can benefit from the privilege of being able to "pick one's fights", can be fun and cool as a label.Colin Bowdenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07249564437232915733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-68816794198903941672010-05-28T16:14:48.457-07:002010-05-28T16:14:48.457-07:00@Eurasian Sensation
"But I don't think i...@Eurasian Sensation<br /><br />"But I don't think it's helpful to get hostile towards those who, for whatever reason, didn't sieze the chance to speak out."<br /><br />um. right. it's not about being hostile toward people who for whatever reason don't 'sieze the chance' to stand against racism. <br /><br />There is no tolerance for white people writing/blogging/talking about, and pointing the finger to, other white people who are doing what they see as racist things, yet they didn't DO anything about it. The observation and disgust of the racism is just not enough. Perhaps a more apt title would have been white people who, "see other white people who expect black people to behave better in public than white people do, and do nothing to confront them about it". Seriously, there are so so so many occasions to observe racism and then talk about how shocking it was afterwards, but if there is no stand taken then it's just a load of hot air! White people should also not be congratulated for observing other white peoples' racism. There just isn't any kudos for a white person to observe it and think they stand for something because they saw it and didn't like it. Taking a stand is an action, a response. <br /><br />White people have the privilege to take a stand against racism and not be labelled 'an angry black so and so' like, hello, use that white privilege to make a difference.s.raphnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-18778685416833007232010-05-28T14:29:50.547-07:002010-05-28T14:29:50.547-07:00Why do people not understand?
Racism is rape,
it...Why do people not understand?<br /><br />Racism is rape, <br />it is murder, <br />it is vile, <br />it is misogyny, <br />it is a violation, <br />it is inhumane, <br />it is exhausting, <br />it is vicious<br />it is degrading<br />it is demoralising<br />it is cold, calculated, cutting and measurable genocide<br />it is ruthless<br />it is perverse <br />it is debilitating<br />it is endemic <br />for fucks sake<br />Racism is war.<br /><br />Why are they so blind that they can't realise that racism is all those things and then some?soulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-5897375335068221382010-05-28T14:25:59.450-07:002010-05-28T14:25:59.450-07:00@Eurasian sensation...
Yeah... thats right. I thi...@Eurasian sensation...<br /><br />Yeah... thats right. I think you've got it.<br /><br />But to further cement your point, I think you should be able (at the first instance and opportune moment of course) to say the following to some rape victims, or the families of a murder victim, or a woman who has been belittle by her male colleagues for decades.<br /><br /><br /><b><i>Not everyone who reads this blog is a fully-realised humanity activist. <br /><br />We are all coming from varying places and perspectives. <br />Some are still in their infancy of understanding the nature of humanity, respect, individualism and the right of others to go about their business in peace.<br /><br />Hopefully, their paths will cross yours and some of the discussions you have with them will inspire some of them and some of the observers to go out and stand up against fellow misogynists, rapists and murderers. <br /><br />But I don't think it's helpful to get hostile towards those who, for whatever reason, didn't sieze the chance to speak out.<br /><br />You know, because we must be sympathetic towards those rapists, murderers and misogynists.</i></b>soulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-84679786421428229732010-05-28T14:22:23.681-07:002010-05-28T14:22:23.681-07:00Co-signs RVCBard and Rochelle like a mug!
I'm...Co-signs RVCBard and Rochelle like a mug!<br /><br />I'm past tired of folks thinking I should be ready to give cookies and head to WP for their good <i>intentions</i> regardless of any effective action being taken or not.<br /><br />Basically Eurasian Sensations apologetics are basically the "WP aren't yet READY" schtick that PoC have been hearing in this country since slavery. It's the apologetics offered to Dr. King that he rebutted in Letter From A Birmingham Jail as to why Black folk should be patient and let White take their good time in deeming us human enough for equal rights in this country.<br /><br />Like Bard and Rochelle, I'm way past tired of being labeled unreasonable, crazy and violent and my actions painted that way because I dare to speak up. Eurasian Sensation, I MAY have had more respect for you if you'd just come out and told our nigger bitch asses to shut the fuck up instead of the passive-aggressive bullshit you posted.<br /><br />Consider your poor, delicate non-Black self attacked.Witchsistahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01603586060096649666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-3863484373378383502010-05-28T12:52:41.058-07:002010-05-28T12:52:41.058-07:00@Eurasian Sensation
'Attack'? Ha. Right. ...@Eurasian Sensation<br /><br />'<i>Attack</i>'? Ha. Right. That was a very long comment, you know you could've just said 'Darkies, be grateful' and be concise about it.Rochellehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09297877486316287530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-4667465132047264532010-05-28T04:27:25.545-07:002010-05-28T04:27:25.545-07:00I've been way past tired of the subtle accusat...I've been way past tired of the subtle accusation that the Black people who post here are being hostile and ungrateful by not swooning every time a White person is decent with regards to race (for a change).<br /><br />I've been way past tired of people who are not me thinking that they know how I feel (or worse yet, what I <i>should</i> feel).<br /><br />I've been way past tired of people telling the more vocal Black people responding here how we ought to respond to an experience that affects us daily.<br /><br />I'm way past tired of people treating us as though our lives are a public service to help White people learn to be less racist.<br /><br /><a href="http://rvcbard.blogspot.com/2009/03/being-black-being-real.html" rel="nofollow">Way. Past. Tired.</a>RVCBardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06481089855894764409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-34244334648768710432010-05-27T23:41:31.075-07:002010-05-27T23:41:31.075-07:00The reasons why someone does not speak up against ...The reasons why someone does not speak up against racism when they observe it are very worthy of discussion. Sometimes those reasons are good ones, sometimes not. To attack someone for not doing so seems unfair, given the context.<br /><br />Some people are not naturally confrontational, or are less instinctive and take longer to mentally process the nature of the racism being expressed. Sometimes the particular context in which it happens is very sensitive and can result in harsh consequences if someone speaks out.<br /><br />For me, the interesting question is to what extent a person can stand up for a principle, as opposed to succumbing to the pressure to swallow that indignation and remain silent. All our social conditioning naturally makes us lean toward the latter - so breaking out of that conformity of silence is no easy thing.<br /><br />Not everyone who reads this blog is a fully-realised anti-racist activist. We are all coming from varying places and perspectives. Some are still in their infancy of understanding the nature of racism. Hopefully some of the discussions on this blog inspire some readers to go out and stand up against it. But I don't think it's helpful to get hostile towards those who, for whatever reason, didn't sieze the chance to speak out.Eurasian Sensationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03486297795353354329noreply@blogger.com