tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post6173227579661809829..comments2024-03-06T08:29:13.333-08:00Comments on stuff white people do: go on hiatusmacon dhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07795547197817128339noreply@blogger.comBlogger159125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-24342922214307787772010-08-04T15:59:33.195-07:002010-08-04T15:59:33.195-07:00KLD,
Then my message wasn't for you especiall...KLD,<br /><br />Then my message wasn't for you especially since your name wasn't in the address line. You want to stay for whathefuckever reason then stay. <br /><br />And I don't have an "act," "routine" or a "repetoire" either. I have my PoV and it's obviously not yours so don't worry about it.<br /><br />You want to stay, stay. I'm not your controller and it's your blood pressure.Witchsistahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01603586060096649666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-65510393245258057602010-08-04T15:52:56.368-07:002010-08-04T15:52:56.368-07:00@soul
hit me back at my email. I'm janelapla...@soul<br /><br />hit me back at my email. I'm janelaplain, gmail. we should have done this much sooner, honestly.Jane Laplainnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-46711337608429432532010-08-04T15:45:03.981-07:002010-08-04T15:45:03.981-07:00WTF? Witchsistah, this is one black women coming o...WTF? Witchsistah, this is one black women coming out of lurking to say that you don't speak for me, and that does NOT make me a "Good Darkie." Seriously, what. the. HELL? <br /><br />Yes, BW can help each other in other spaces more than they could in this one. But that's not what this one is for. This one had other values. It helped me see sometimes that I'm actually not crazy. It helped me articulate racism.So yeah, in some ways, it helped me. And I've also seen white people here who clearly DO "give a fuck," and who clearly do something against racism, sometimes with the knowledge and encouragement they've received here.<br /><br />Your act doesn't impress me, and it doesn't speak for me either, and that does not make me anyone's "good darkie," and I'm sure as hell not about to be yours.K L Dnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-16242303153426302092010-08-04T15:24:13.050-07:002010-08-04T15:24:13.050-07:00Part Two,
See, we got macon's little site off...Part Two,<br /><br />See, we got macon's little site off the ground. We were good enough for that. Now that it's up and running, our services are no longer required. Now, our insight and daring to notice huge holes and contradictory acts are getting in the way of this site becoming a major go-to site for anti-racism and preventing macon from becoming the next Tim Wise, the go-to guy for race issues (because why bother with those icky cullud folk when a Nice White Guy(TM) will do). DUDE FLOUNCED HIS OWN DAMN SITE because even the Good Darkies didn't think he, this site or the WP who post here were about shit (and good job trying to call out said Good Darkies against the Bad 'Uns). You kind of need the backing of grateful, admiring culluds if you're going to presume to speak for them.<br /><br />So let their precious Asian women or whomever participate on this waste of bandwidth. Use your finite time, energies and resources to help yourselves and other BW. At least keep to those sites we've managed to carve out for ourselves as TRUE safe spaces. Let others get off their asses and take on these people. Let others argue (or not) with these folks. Let them hash over each bullshit argument they come up with as to why they should be excused from treating us as human. Let others actually do their share of the heavy lifting for a change. <br /><br />It's time for us to stop trying to engage these people and time for us to start living as if we truly do believe all that we've been saying here, that we are sentient, subject, agent human beings deserving of such treatment. And if we don't get it, we make the perp pay. Because the so-called "progress" that WP have made via race? Has all been about avoiding punishment. WP didn't have any change of heart. They were afraid of all those new laws now on the books and the enforcement of said laws. They just modified their racism accordingly. They found loopholes and have used them and continue to. The only thing that'll stop WP is fear of punishment. They still won't respect you or see you as human like them, but they'll be too scared of remonstrations and retributions at least not to attempt to ACT the part.<br /><br />Sistas, SAVE YOURSELVES! Be selfish! I’m all for BW being selfish as hell because what has our generosity ever gotten us but this type of treatment. We need to think of ourselves first because damn sure no one else is. And part of that selfishness is self-care. We need to stop being everyone’s mule. We need to start demanding LOYALTY AND RECIPROCITY! Sorry, but we need to get ours FIRST before we bust our asses to help others! And yes, I’m talking about other PoC that stand by and let BW take lumps for them and not do SHIT when we are attacked. We need to stop giving our work and loyalty so damn cheaply. If we are precious so are our efforts and allegiance. They cannot be had for a bowl of pottage!<br /><br />So leave this site to its fate. It is not our business nor problem anymore.Witchsistahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01603586060096649666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-20161325727154319512010-08-04T15:23:48.945-07:002010-08-04T15:23:48.945-07:00RVCBard, Rochelle, and especially soul,
Against a...RVCBard, Rochelle, and especially soul,<br /><br />Against all better judgement, I'm posting here (let's see if this comment even gets through), not because I value this site. It's proven it's basically like any and all discussions of race with WP, null AND void. I'm here to ask all of you to STOP POSTING HERE.<br /><br />No, I don't think you're making BW look bad or am at all embarrassed by you. But I see you all, ESPECIALLY soul, getting abused (YUP I SAID IT) here. The SAME tactics used to abuse a person in a relationship are the same ones used in racism and they are being used here. Obfuscation, twisting of words to make the utterer seem like the bad guy and therefore deserving of the abused piled upon them and outright fuckin' LYING about them.<br /><br />And all for what? How long have all of us been on here? How many comments did we leave? How many words did we write? How much of our hearts have we poured out? And what has been the result. I swear it's like Day fuckin' ONE around here. WP's minds go into automatic reset when it comes to racism. They learn something and then their minds seem to get wiped of all that knowledge. Either that or THEY JUST DON'T GIVE A FUCK. <br /><br />I've been talking about race on the internet in various forums for almost 15 years. I've TRIED talking to WP about race in person for longer than that. I WAS once one of the "Good Darkies" constantly trying to be the shining example of Negrohood and a "credit to my race" to show and convince WP that Blacks were not only human but as good as they were.<br /><br />I've finally come to the conclusion that is all pointless. Utterly pointless.<br /><br />WP haven't learned ANYTHING. Well they have learned to barely mask their utter hatred and contempt for PoC, but not very convincingly. It constantly peeks out. They've learned how to obfuscate and appear non-racist while keeping every ounce of their White privilege. They come on these sites not to learn but to quibble and debate and dissect to see what the LEAST amount of effort they must do to keep us from complaining. They don't want to get rid of racism or White privilege. They just want PoC to stop complaining about it so they won't have to feel guilty anymore.<br /><br />I urge you all to leave to save yourselves. These people do not deserve your thoughts and words however carefully crafted or dispassionately delivered. They really don't. <br /><br />They really don't want ANY BW here. In fact, one of them has complained that somehow, we evil nigger bitches are keeping his precious Asian women from participating here. Typical. So fuckin' typical it's sickening.Witchsistahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01603586060096649666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-63771340855821286072010-08-04T14:58:22.122-07:002010-08-04T14:58:22.122-07:00@lurker Linda... Queen of cynics...Bradi... Rochel...@lurker Linda... Queen of cynics...Bradi... Rochelle... RVCBard, Angelofdeath, Jason Burns... and yes .... James...<br />and everyone else, I'm afraid I cannot bare to scroll up anymore so I'm calling names from memory<br /><br />I apologise, for the way this thread has gone on account of my comment.<br />I don't care who is right, who is wrong, who stepped out of line, who didn't.<br /><br />I beg all of you to please not debate with one another over who is hurting the most, or who is not allowed to speak or who is being silenced... in our own ways we are all hurting, we all feel silenced, we all value our pain simply so that we might never experience it again.<br /><br />I am afraid words are now failing me....<br />I am sorry.soulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-87647514888239582432010-08-04T14:45:21.660-07:002010-08-04T14:45:21.660-07:00@Jane..
I can't see how else to clarify what ...@Jane..<br /><br />I can't see how else to clarify what I have said, in my own style without hurting you.<br /><br />For me,that is <b>unacceptable.</b><br />Please come back and provide the depth you have been providing of your viewpoint and your angle. <b>IT IS IMPORTANT</b><br /><br />I will give you the space you need and say no more.<br /><br />My need to clarify an issue shouldn't come at your expense, nor at the expense of anyone reading.<br /><br />It pains me to see how my comment is being used and viewed and the extrapolations which are made from it, but them there are the breaks, once its out there, it is out there.<br /><br />I share your pain and frustration, I would offer my email in order to completely and fully apologise, however I am not sure this is appropriate thing to do and I am unsure of how to go about it.<br /><br />i noticed you left your email address, but since our discourse here has been quite volatile and it seems this subject has affected both of our sensibilities, I feel any correspondence from me, without your express permission to use your email address would be inappropriate and possibly just plain wrong, (no matter what the content)<br /><br />If my apology via this medium will suffice, then please, I beg of you..<br />receive it from the whence it came..<br />from the depths of my soul and from the inner most portions of my heart.<br /><br />I cannot apologise enough. <br />I know this does not erase the harm that has taken place, or the bitter feelings or disappointment.<br /><br />I have learnt a lot from this, my hurt, my experience, my anger, irritation, my passion and my brevity for expression does not happen in a vacuum.<br /><br />You, your comments, your emotions, your experience, your hurt, your anger and your passion reside right along side me.<br /><br /><b>Jane Laplain</b><br /><br />I unreservedly apologise to you.soulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-45472262523501867632010-08-04T13:48:23.434-07:002010-08-04T13:48:23.434-07:00@Pistolina.
I know how PTSD works.
What you said...@Pistolina.<br />I know how PTSD works. <br />What you said I said, and what I <b>actually</b> said are completely miles apart. <br />You've accused me of providing a descriptive analysis. <b> I DID NOT</b><br /><br />As much as I fucking hate the shit that is going on, I am not going to let that go by.soulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-10449723381875200022010-08-04T13:19:50.742-07:002010-08-04T13:19:50.742-07:00@ m. gibson
What you wrote seems very true to me....@ m. gibson<br /><br />What you wrote seems very true to me.jas0nburnsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-86590355974463155472010-08-04T12:13:44.452-07:002010-08-04T12:13:44.452-07:00i'm not invalidating jane's feelings; soul...i'm not invalidating jane's feelings; soul did not say what jane and pistolina says she said. <br /><br /><i>frigatebird said<br />I'd rather inadvertently hurt and offend while going in the right direction than hurt and offend while not doing anything at all.<br /><br /><br />I wonder how you would feel if a man said..<br />I'd rather inadvertently rape and hit a woman whilst learning about sexism and misogyny than rape and hit a woman whilst not learning about them at all.</i><br /><br />you see??? what she said is is pretty much something like "would you tell a paraplegic person 'i'll keep parking in your space even though i don't have a disability because i'm making progress as an ally in abelism'?". <b>not</b> 'saying bigoted statements is just like raping someone'. <br /><br />and not to mention RVCBard's nail-on-the-head comment all the way upthread:<br /><br /><i>This interrogation of a real person regarding their own personal experience with rape, especially when they have not volunteered that information, along with the flat-out dismissal of her viewpoint as inappropriate (regardless of how true or accurate that is), along with the constant drilling of her psyche in a public forum, strikes me as extremely disturbing and more problematic than the initial comment itself. That's my way of saying that this whole dynamic is triggering (for other reasons) and it would be decent of people to stop now. </i>Queen of the Cynicsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-66578797137780078572010-08-04T11:09:10.929-07:002010-08-04T11:09:10.929-07:00Soul, I'm really sorry, because I obviously wo...Soul, I'm really sorry, because I obviously worded my explanation badly. I didn't intend to imply that you were using explicit description. I'm honestly not sure how to word it better. I genuinely meant no hurt, and I tried to make it clear that I do not think you were wrong to make your comment, and I think your comment was a valuable one. I don't disagree with you at all. I genuinely apologize for wording my explanation in a way that hurt you.<br /><br />@Queen of the Cynics, yes, we are reading the same comment, and that's exactly what I was trying to explain, is how differently something like that can read to someone who has severe psychological triggers. As I said to soul, it is in absolutely no way intended as a criticism of her. It is an explanation of how PTSD and other illnesses that cause severe triggers work. It's not anyone's fault, it's just that many times, for people with these kinds of triggers, it's not possible to go back and review a comment later, or to engage with a comment from a different perspective, because all they are seeing is "trigger, trigger, trigger," and often seeing the trigger has profound physical and psychological symptoms associated with it. It doesn't matter how accurate or good or right or appropriate the triggering remark is. It could be the best remark ever made. The two are entirely separate problems.<br /><br />I just felt like I saw people arguing who were all working from different perspectives and I was hoping to help by shedding some light on why there was a disconnect, especially when I saw Jane asking if it was reasonable to ask if this could be a safe space for her or not. I hope that is a better explanation. Again, I honestly do not think anyone did anything wrong and I am sorry if my comment implied otherwise because it was not my intent to imply that.Pistolinahttp://gordyannknott.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-50916229843822288912010-08-04T10:43:51.186-07:002010-08-04T10:43:51.186-07:00@Queen
are we done invalidating another WOC's...@Queen<br /><br />are we done invalidating another WOC's feelings instead of soul? Two wrongs ain't making it right.<br /><br />lurker, woc and ptsd sufferer here.lurker lindanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-34540586837467620762010-08-04T09:49:02.933-07:002010-08-04T09:49:02.933-07:00think where Jane's point is valid is that the ...<i>think where Jane's point is valid is that the description soul provided was a descriptive visual of a rape in action, an individual case of rape</i><br /><br />waht? you been reading the same comment as me? <br /><br /><br />sooo we done publicly flogging soul now or is someone else gonna sweep in and wag their fingers in her face?Queen of the Cynicsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-29899522205428068902010-08-04T09:36:50.621-07:002010-08-04T09:36:50.621-07:00@soul
As much as I have come to respect you I hav...@soul<br /><br />As much as I have come to respect you I have to take a line from you: PLEASE STOP. <br /><br />Typing the line hit and rape a woman is in fact a description of a violent act. It does in fact conjure the imagery of a man hitting and raping a woman. This is not cynical debate. This is a discussion about the power of words and imagery. You chose this analogy because you felt it would illustrate your point. It works. It's even valid in the context I've finally come to understand.<br /><br />It is also triggering for some people. For ME. No its not your fault that something so simple can trigger me. But you've been informed already that it has and does... You do not have to take back what you said. You do not have to defend what you said any more. We are all well aware now what you meant by that. You clarified yourself. Thank You! This isn't a conversation about you and your intent anymore. This is a conversation about how words, in this case yours, can be misinterpreted by some for LEGITIMATE reasons. There is more at stake here besides your words not being perfectly understood by one and all. Some of us, due to other serious issues (related directly to their own experience with Racism, no less), are currently unable to interpret your words in the spirit you intended them.<br /><br />RESPECTFULLY, and leaving for real this time lest this outrages start again. Dag!<br /><br />JaneJane Laplainnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-49930442216921316712010-08-04T08:38:42.497-07:002010-08-04T08:38:42.497-07:00@Bradi
Thank you. Tremendously. I really do app...@Bradi <br /><br />Thank you. Tremendously. I really do appreciate your taking the time to address me directly. Soul too. All the oblique commentary around what I said, rather than to me for saying it has been distressing. <br /><br />I will have to re-read the whole thread later when I'm done. I came back because somebody told me someone had responded to my question. I still need time.<br /><br />@ Pistolina<br /><br />Thank you SO much. <br /><br />I fully cop to being "sensitive" on the day I initiated the comment. Some days are better than others. As a survivor I'm sure you understand this.<br /><br />I'm very curious to know how you overcame your PTSD. IThats been a crippling issue for me years now. Therapy myhas failed. Time has failed. So I just deal with good stretches and my bad stretches. <br /><br />I wouldn't ask you to discuss that with me here so if you are so inclined to share please write me at janelaplain AT Gmail.Jane Laplainnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-86876802344481137992010-08-04T07:59:14.927-07:002010-08-04T07:59:14.927-07:00@pistolina..
I did NOT provide a descriptive of a...@pistolina..<br /><br />I did <b>NOT</b> provide a descriptive of a rape in action. WTF!<br /><br />I respect your right to utterly disagree with me,<br />but wehat you have said here is beyond the pale<br />I did not give a descriptive of a rape in action.<br /><br /><br />This is what I said:<br /><i>'I wonder how you would feel if a man said..<br />I'd rather inadvertently rape and hit a woman whilst learning about sexism and misogyny than rape and hit a woman whilst not learning about them at all.'</i>soulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-32063504605022008722010-08-04T06:25:38.684-07:002010-08-04T06:25:38.684-07:00As a former sufferer of PTSD, I can see where Jane...As a former sufferer of PTSD, I can see where Jane is coming from. For some people, it's not a question of "tenderness" or "filter."<br /><br />When I had PTSD, there were certain smells, visuals, and trigger phrases that could send me into an asthma attack or even a dissociative fugue state. Someone who suffers from PTSD can't interpret. They don't have time to interpret. It just happens automatically when they experience certain things that trigger a bad experience. <br /><br />I think where Jane's point is valid is that the description soul provided was a descriptive visual of a rape in action, an individual case of rape. That can be a dissociative trigger for some people, and it's a very common one. It doesn't matter how soul wrote it, because it actually describes a man raping and hitting a woman, it could actually have that effect on someone. <br /><br />I'm not saying that I think soul's comment was wrong or off-target-- like I said above, I think a lot of the commentary on it was really valuable. I just wanted to explain why someone can't necessarily sit back and think about a comment if it does have serious psychological triggers for them. I don't mean to justify someone merely being "upset" or "oversensitive," which some people sometimes describe as being triggered, but this is a very real concern and I felt it might be helpful to explain why it isn't always possible for some people to address it as you have.pistolinahttp://gordian-knot.tumblr.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-9620447801255082652010-08-04T01:46:38.295-07:002010-08-04T01:46:38.295-07:00@ Jane you are visible, and your perspective valua...@ Jane you are visible, and your perspective valuable. <br />I read that you're feeling "tender" right now, and I can understand why you may feel the need to step away from the forum. I'd like to offer another perspective for consideration before and if you go. <br /><br />I believe I see where and how the discussion spun off in an unintended direction. <br /><br />" If my reading skills need work, show me the way! I'd like to avoid being triggered again in future dialogue of this nature. If that's impossible here, I need to hear that too." <br /><br />Your reading skills is not the problem. The filter with which you used to ingest the rape analogy may be your issue. <br /><br />Jane said..."I interpreted it in the context of an ongoing conversation about how WP behave here in the comments forum." <br /><br />Your interpreted context is incorrect. <br /><br />Soul's analogy was not about how WP behave here in the comments forum. <br /><br />Soul did not equate her experience with WP in the comment forums to rape. <br /><br />Jane, it was in your initial response that you incorrectly introduced the connection of soul's analogy to the forum:<br /><br />"Wha wha WHAT??!? I'm sorry but I'm going to have to object to this analogy, to the nth power!! Being ignored or derailed or talked over on a blog is NOT the same as being raped or beaten." <br /><br /><br />In the context of racism, Soul's analogy was spot on in exposing the absurdity of frigatebird's stance of justifying the abuse of POC for "educational" purposes. <br /><br />When you are able, revisit this thread, and read it through a different lens. It might help you manage your triggers, should a rape and racism comparison be made on a blog or in your life. <br /><br />I hope I have been helpful, and I mean to be supportive. If I have failed, and been the cause of additional confusion, I'll say I'm sorry now. Just in case I don't get another chance. <br /><br />peace,<br />Bradi<br /> <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /> <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />August 3, 2010 12:52 PMBMBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01868959225333987277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-28613042473749692502010-08-03T13:13:15.961-07:002010-08-03T13:13:15.961-07:00Ok clearly this is too raw of a topic for me to be...Ok clearly this is too raw of a topic for me to be able to participate helpfully. I will be going on a little hiatus of my own. <br /><br />It's disappointing that a POC's request for commenters to be more careful with the use of violent imagery has devolved into a situation where people feel debated, dismissed or forced to choose sides. I will accept responsbility for my own part in this dynamic, stop talking, and just leave for a while.<br /><br />Apologies to anybody who was alarmed or hurt by my comments, especially soul.<br /><br />JaneJane Laplainnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-61423670179496178742010-08-03T12:52:36.706-07:002010-08-03T12:52:36.706-07:00"Is racism rape. It damn sure is. But was my ...<i>"Is racism rape. It damn sure is. But was my comment saying ... oh every flippant comment on this blog feels like it.... That MOST definitely not."<br /><br />No, your comment was concise and thoughtful. </i><br /><br />I did not find the comment concise and thoughtful. I interepreted it in the context of an ongoing conversation about how WP behave here in the comments forum. I accept that my reading was not at all what soul intended (which I am GLAD to finally know). But to my mind the analogy was inflammatory without sufficient clarification to separate how Racism affects POCs in general and how the WP who comment here have affected POC's here in general. <br /><br />It was hurtful of me to question soul's presence here rather than simply ask her for clarification of what I found deeply troubling. For which I am deeply sorry.<br /><br />As for the 'theatre of solidarity" I'm confused, because, other than James and his mindblowingly inapprpriate comment, I saw only Nothing-too-Odd and Pistolina agreeing with me that they (initially) found the rape analogy problematic. Neither of them seemed to be speaking from a sinister place. Did I miss others?<br /><br />I'm belaboring this point because I feel like I'm being flat out ignored, as tho my experience of soul's comment has been judged invalid out of hand.<br /><br />So I want, no I NEED to make it clear that it is very TRIGGERING to abruptly introduce the topic of Rape and Violence into any conversation, especially into a conversation about Race. Some of us, in addition to <i>feeling</i> raped by Racism in general, have literally BEEN raped in a specifically racialized context. Some of us have been raped literally BECAUSE we were POC. <br /><br />So yes Rape is terriby relevant to Racism. But it cannot be taken for granted as a concise metaphor that everybody immediately "gets" with no problem.<br /><br />I am not convinced that I was the only person who might have been triggered by soul's comment in the context that it was made. Of course I might have read the entire threadflow wrong from the start. If my reading skills need work, show me the way! I'd like to avoid being triggered again in future dialogue of this nature. If that's impossible here, I need to hear that too.Jane Laplainnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-21581930739490613102010-08-03T09:45:28.110-07:002010-08-03T09:45:28.110-07:00M. Gibson- I love what you said. It IS exactly ri...M. Gibson- I love what you said. It IS exactly right. It made me teary-eyed. It is so simple! Undoubtedly, someone will comment on the religious/christian overtones of your statement and the debating will begin afresh. :(<br /><br />Last night, I was back again to see if anything had changed in this discussion, but no.<br /><br />I am new here, and've only commented a few times. I love reading the posts and some of the comments were very helpful to me. I thought, there is hope! Because I feel myself becoming bitter, which pisses me off because I feel that White people don't think twice about all they do that negatively affects not only me, but my children. But here I am, angry and distrustful ALL THE TIME. <br /><br />But as I've been reading through the archives, I see it almost always devolves into debate. About wording and the like. There's no listening going on, no learning, at least from what I can tell by the comments.<br /><br />I think this happens because people want to deflect, to stall. They're really into that white-washed tomb deal because it's easy. Many people in this discussion have mentioned 'lip service'. And that's what it seems to be. And it is so fucking disappointing. Again. Again and again this happens. Not just here but everywhere.<br /><br />I was complaining about this to my husband and he asked why I keep reading this blog then, if it's so irritating and I get so disappointed. And it's because I keep waiting for that miracle, for someone to just accept what is being said and, as M. Gibson stated, REPENT!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-21047309462502646682010-08-03T07:09:53.548-07:002010-08-03T07:09:53.548-07:00M. Gibson,
I think this is so profound:
"Whi...M. Gibson,<br /><br />I think this is so profound:<br />"Whites need to repent of the Sin of racism. Meaning, “a change of mind accompanied by regret and change of conduct, "change of mind and heart", or, "change of consciousness." Once this is realized, every thought- deed or attitude towards non-whites from this point on operates out of empathy, forever eroding the racial/analytical blinders that keep you distant."<br /><br />It reminds me of "the Eightfold Path" that Moi posted on her blog. She wrote "For white folks (who'd rather chew off their left arm than wind up like that asshole up there) trying to productively contribute to a race discussion, I suggest you look to our Eastern siblings who suggest ever so brilliantly:<br /><br />Right View<br />Right Intention<br />Right Speech<br />Right Action<br />Right Livelihood<br />Right Effort<br />Right Mindfulness<br />Right Concentration"<br /><br />The conversation in the comments about what this means I find really insightful and helpful. But I think, at root, it may be a different way of getting at your point.Julia/the other Juliahttp://nobody-asked-you.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-56971028666608632022010-08-03T05:18:40.544-07:002010-08-03T05:18:40.544-07:00"Yeah wangst some more about how you wish you..."Yeah wangst some more about how you wish you weren't so burdened by trying to be an anti-racist."<br /><br />co-sign.<br /><br />frigatebird you sound like Cypher from the matrix.jas0nburnsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-43728597263861199042010-08-03T01:37:13.479-07:002010-08-03T01:37:13.479-07:00Sorry for the derail, everyone. Back to listening...Sorry for the derail, everyone. Back to listening.frigatebirdnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-72849557307700964912010-08-03T00:27:25.173-07:002010-08-03T00:27:25.173-07:00@soul
"You know I didn't think I said war...@soul<br />"You know I didn't think I said warranted that level of questioning of 'why am I here'". <br />I agree. <br /><br />"I didn't say that I felt that each comment here felt like being raped, nor did I say a jerky throwaway comment felt like that". <br />No you didn't.<br /><br />"Nowhere would anyone put up with someone saying.. hey look! Its better that I inadvertently hurt you and take the lesson from it that hurting you is bad than for me not to cause hurt at all".<br />No conscious person would put up it. That is not what you implied. <br /><br />Is racism rape. It damn sure is. But was my comment saying ... oh every flippant comment on this blog feels like it.... That MOST definitely not.<br />No, your comment was concise and thoughtful. <br /><br />I was surprised at the swiftness with which people felt the need to pounce on your response to frigatebird. I was reading: The mention of rape is off limits in the discussion of racism, unless you "out" yourself first. The attacks against you, under the guise of "protecting" an anonymous rape victim, were making me ill. <br /><br />With the exception of JaneL, no one else revealed having been raped.<br />Yet the "theater" of solidarity, was a good example of what I'd like to experience happening in reality when racism has to be addressed.<br /><br />peace,<br />Bradi <br />August 2, 2010 5:24 PMBMBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01868959225333987277noreply@blogger.com