tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post5353751015389540200..comments2024-03-06T08:29:13.333-08:00Comments on stuff white people do: pounce on any example they can find of "black racism"macon dhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07795547197817128339noreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-71664817139253203622010-07-24T10:40:36.296-07:002010-07-24T10:40:36.296-07:00@Joanna,
Yep, that's why I wrote "at lea...@Joanna,<br /><br />Yep, that's why I wrote "at least ostensibly." I think that while that astroturf "movement" is tapping into the anger of those being screwed by their economic "betters," they don't really care to address the actual, structural problems of class-based oppression in the U.S. The Teabaggers are mostly a relatively well-off white gang, who want "their country back," but yeah, it's <i>their</i> (fantasized) country that they're talking about.AEnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-54862265138948462012010-07-24T10:31:08.383-07:002010-07-24T10:31:08.383-07:00AE--- I think the only "class" the Tea B...AE--- I think the only "class" the Tea Baggers are interested in is the "(Upper) Middle Class".... they are actually wealthier on average than other Americans. I wrote a post the other day about how it is now the "in" thing to call yourself "Middle Class"... wealthy people do not want to admit that they have an extreme advantage and so they define their issues as issues of "the Middle Class" I hear people who earn $200K or more a year identifying as "Middle Class" right alongside people who earn $30K, and to me the needs of one are far different than the needs of another. But, in the effort to be called "Middle Class" those at the lower end of the income spectrum unite with those on the higher end to express their disdain for the "poor" The only issue of class that the Tea Baggers are interested in is how they can maintain their status by making the "Lower Class" and "Working Class" look like thieves, beggars, and lazy excuses for human beings.Joannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15409225119134162318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-60456698821520077642010-07-24T10:18:51.179-07:002010-07-24T10:18:51.179-07:00macon asked,
What do you think of the claim some ...macon asked,<br /><br /><i>What do you think of the claim some are making, that Shirley Sherrod is the Rosa Parks of our time?</i><br /><br />Yeah, I've heard that a few times now. <br /><br />Well, she's all over the news, and there's a big photo of her at the top of HuffPo right now. So, maybe. <br /><br />But, I think there'd have to be a movement afoot already, some sort of wave for her to put atop as a figurehead. <br /><br />Too bad the Teabaggers are too racist to take her on that way; after all, class-based problems are her focus as much or more than race, and that's (at least ostensibly) the source of a lot of the resentment that teabaggers are tapping into.AEnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-35527099577186707872010-07-23T17:31:54.417-07:002010-07-23T17:31:54.417-07:00"i have no doubt if Mrs. Sherrod was white an...<i>"i have no doubt if Mrs. Sherrod was white and this bold faced lie and deception had taken place and been exposed, they would have eventually given her back her job."<br />I'm not so sure, it's not like the right is averse to siccing their flying monkeys on insufficiently conservative white people... </i><br /><br />There's that denial of racism again. I really do wonder how these keep managing to get through the iron gate of moderation.Queen of the Cynicsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-24152328547691589262010-07-23T13:25:33.023-07:002010-07-23T13:25:33.023-07:00"i have no doubt if Mrs. Sherrod was white an..."i have no doubt if Mrs. Sherrod was white and this bold faced lie and deception had taken place and been exposed, they would have eventually given her back her job."<br />I'm not so sure, it's not like the right is averse to siccing their flying monkeys on insufficiently conservative white people...Titanisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-61771433920276548952010-07-23T05:05:10.676-07:002010-07-23T05:05:10.676-07:00Have you see @andrewbreitbart's tweets? He tak...Have you see @andrewbreitbart's tweets? He takes absolutely no for what he did to Sherrod and blames the NAACP instead.<br /><br />"Shirley Sherrod & I Agree in @NYTIMES: http://nyti.ms/dee4vf The N.A.A.C.P. was “the reason why this happened.”"<br /><br />"About to go on Charlie Rose Show. I'm ignoring nothing. NAACP rebuked it's own audience for behavior. It's about hypocritical NAACP."Roxiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10989862745571420807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-69060289840498016212010-07-23T05:00:03.252-07:002010-07-23T05:00:03.252-07:00@LaJane..
This is an exercise in futility. Take a...@LaJane..<br /><br />This is an exercise in futility. Take a step back... notice the pattern.soulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-66054254058015645742010-07-22T22:45:05.374-07:002010-07-22T22:45:05.374-07:00@M.gibson we will be at a better place for a discu...@M.gibson we will be at a better place for a discussion about race in this country when looking at an injustice you don't have to bring in a black face to say what you already know in your heart. Wrong is wrong, you may not know how deeply that wrong effects someone else, but you do know how deeply it effects you. That's the problem I have with most of these articles and the way the press handles it.<br /><br />To hell with skin color you want to show me you really believe we are all equal, see discrimination, sexism, orientation bias and say you know what I refuse to allow this to stand. I'm not gay, am not interested in being gay, but you know what I want them to have the same right to do exactly what they wish in their lives that I have, hell I wish that we both had the rights that others without any descriptors behind their name have. I'm a black man I will walk in a room and nine times out of 10 people will see me and some will be terrified. I'm pretty sure a gay person will walk in a room and people will look at them and go through all their social, moral and religious gymnastics as to why their point of view on someone else's life is more important.<br /><br />It isn't. If you feel the NAACP jumped the gun say so. If you feel we are all americans than as one american stand up for another, thats what always gets sucked out of this conversation. Why am I called an african american male, because at this moment in time the only people freely allowed to just use the term american without an eye brow raised are anglo saxon americans. You either have british or germanic blood flowing through your veins.<br /><br />Everyone else is a dash american just like me irish american, italian american, german, russian, asian(sometimes nicely broken down into their actual countries of origin but usually just asian, because you know ALL ASIANS LOOK ALIKE smh), indian, latino, hispanic, native, muslim/arab, jew. Part of it is each of our individual faults because we have yet to sit down and say we actually mean that pledge of allegiance. How do we say it then complain that a different level of sun tan should be treated differently? We are so happy to be put in that circular firing squad that it's amazing we ever remember to put the guns down and talk.<br /><br />If you feel it's wrong say so, don't preface it with I'm white, straight, black, brown etc, just look I'm human, I feel this is wrong this is why. If somebody claims that well since your white you really can't know, yeah I can't know the depths that it effects them, but I have eyes I know how it would effect me and why I wouldn't allow it.<br /><br />Until we get to that day, we're just peddling in placePrimaldatahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01835938456938540721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-77486497946720982522010-07-22T20:23:08.710-07:002010-07-22T20:23:08.710-07:00LaJane Galt said "There is nobody that unders...LaJane Galt said "There is nobody that understands the politics, thoughts, feelings and motivations of white folk-poor, rich and everything in between-more than Black and Native folk (not to exclude others)....NOBODY."<br /><br />Really?<br /><br />Actually, in my experience, that's not true at all. People don't understand what they don't understand. Race, class, background have nothing to do with it. You are either intellectually aware, or are physically aware, of how other people think and behave, or you aren't. I have seen equal ignorance from black and white, and I have seen equal awareness from black and white. It depends far more on the individual person.<br /><br />There are few integrating institutions in the United States that require men and women from different classes, races, or ethnic groups to work together and live together. It's not surprising that many Americans live lives separated by race and class, without mutual understanding.Guardiannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-3616818380467982292010-07-22T17:11:46.643-07:002010-07-22T17:11:46.643-07:00QotC,
My apologies. I can see that I basically co...QotC,<br /><br />My apologies. I can see that I basically contradicted myself in that part of the post, and more to the point, that my "wish" that the NAACP leadership hadn't jumped the gun was nevertheless, in effect, a "judgment." <br /><br />That even the NAACP leadership themselves later wished that they hadn't done what they did doesn't make my expressed wish any more valid. And that's because it came from a white person.macon dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07795547197817128339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-38295279462335113022010-07-22T17:00:39.392-07:002010-07-22T17:00:39.392-07:00@jas0nburns
And that still has fuck all to do wit...@jas0nburns<br /><br />And that still has fuck all to do with macon. He could've mentioned their own statement, but instead decided to pass his own judgement on how the darkies messed up their affairs.Queen of the Cynicsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-51627139416784057052010-07-22T16:52:07.872-07:002010-07-22T16:52:07.872-07:00I reckon I could fairly guess a lot of the politic...<i> I reckon I could fairly guess a lot of the politics of people who post on this website. So, let me offer some thoughts on people you might not really understand...angry white folk (Tea Partiers, etc.).<br /> </i><br /><br />You just came in here and whitemansplained to everyone.<br /><br />Let me make this crystal clear. <br /><br /><b>There is nobody that understands the politics, thoughts, feelings and motivations of white folk-poor, rich and everything in between-more than Black and Native folk (not to exclude others)....NOBODY</b><br /><br />You assume that there are a lot of left-leaning POCs here. Maybe you're right.<br /><br />You also assume none of us are poor, working class, middle -, affluent etc...<br /><br />You assume that none of us are evangelicals, Mormons, atheists, Jews...<br /><br />You assume that none of us are farmers, plumbers, doctors, teachers, mechanics, engineers, soldiers, vets or lawyers<br /><br />You assume that none of us are from NC, Iowa, Kansas, Alaska, NY (state or city), CO, FL, MT<br /><br />I reckon you thought you were coming up in here with some Grand White Knowledge to reveal to us that it's not Race...it's CLASS. I reckon you thought that white folks' class issues are unknown to us. You wrongly assume that these issues have not been brought up to the poor white folks by the rest of us.<br /><br />See, this here's the thing when you are on the bad end of the racial barrel...you know the white folks, much better than they know you...much better than they know themselves.LaJane Galtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-15742344213195388812010-07-22T15:10:01.439-07:002010-07-22T15:10:01.439-07:00Well because of Mrs. Sherrod's experience blac...Well because of Mrs. Sherrod's experience black pundits and commentors are in vogue now- at least until the smoke clears. News networks and magazines are once again having that ‘superficial’ conversation about race to eat up a few news cycles. As I’ve said before we are relevant in this narrative only when ‘whites decide that we are’ then they scour the countryside, rounding up as many black pundits as they can to speak for their race. Once the conversation dies down and the smoke clears- its business as usual. Missing white kids- other mainstream concerns- you know… the real news. Right now MSNBC can’t seem to get enough of us. <br /><br />No white news anchor- pundit or commentator is truly equipped to engage on the subject of race, so as a result America herself is never forced to the table and served up a nice hot plate of ‘self-examination.’ The reality of white supremacy/whiteness- and privilege (as it exists today) seems too volatile and too threatening to the majority’s ego to ever be deliberated in the way that it needs to. <br /><br />I’m with Olderwoman and Jane Laplain on this one. My fear is that one day whites will tire of the guise they’ve worn for so long and say ‘screw it.’ That they will rise up in their numbers and ‘seize by force’ that which they feel they’ve been denied in the political process; "democracy be damned." For some whites it is the only thing that makes sense right now.M. Gibsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15412079628160690200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-19613272656799567592010-07-22T12:49:24.293-07:002010-07-22T12:49:24.293-07:00I'm imagining (Dr.? Ms.?) Sherrod saying this ...I'm imagining (Dr.? Ms.?) Sherrod saying this about a black man: "I didn't give him the full force, but I did enough."<br /><br />Would white people care? Somehow, I don't think white people would be shouting about her internalized racism, or lateral racism, or forcing her to resign. White people might even be happy that she didn't go out of her way to help a black person. <br /><br />I'm not saying that it's wise for white people to point out POC "racism," but that maybe accusations of black on white racism would seem more legitimate if they occasionally did.<br /><br />As a white woman, whenever I hear stuff like this, I can't help but think, "Oh, you didn't help one person as much as you could've, how in the hell is that equivalent to 500 years of slavery and 660 years of closed institutions?" I know that's a privileged statement, but let's (white people, not POC) try to get a little perspective.BikeLizardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-51188157864787501202010-07-22T10:16:03.827-07:002010-07-22T10:16:03.827-07:00This is like when a former cheater finds a phone n...This is like when a former cheater finds a phone number in the pocket of their signifigant other. Without calling the number or asking to gather information they assume something offal is afoot and accuse their lover of cheating all while refusing to call & validate the identity of the mysterious phone number with the SOLE intent to suggest the other parties infidelity.Emotional mind games I say,and only the perverse are its professionals.Aadonis219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-43354241506014931632010-07-22T09:55:13.134-07:002010-07-22T09:55:13.134-07:00After reading about how Shirley Sherrod's fath...After reading about how Shirley Sherrod's father was murdered by white men who were never charged and seeing her on 'The View' today, I have to say I'm glad that Chicken Little Breitbart chose her to attempt to malign. <br /><br />She is such an eloquent rebuttal to the rabid right wing's inability to GTFU and work towards a better country for all Americans. <br /><br />The Americans who believe that Breitbart, Fox and Beck can do nothing wrong may not be able to psychologically absorb the truth of Shirley Sherrod's life, but I feel better knowing that they've been given ample opportunities to do so.<br /><br />At a certain point, there is nothing to be done about people who are convinced it's their duty and right to be willfully ignorant.MartiniCocoahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12509335664000215080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-3673000630045632462010-07-22T07:44:52.690-07:002010-07-22T07:44:52.690-07:00errr... sooner that is.errr... sooner that is.Jane Laplainnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-39655354828769112702010-07-22T07:44:19.422-07:002010-07-22T07:44:19.422-07:00@olderwoman
I don't know whether to feel reli...@olderwoman<br /><br />I don't know whether to feel relieved you're scared too or even more scared. I don't know what will lance this boil before it pops but I hope it happens sooneee rathr than later.Jane Laplainnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-53774642908604022312010-07-22T07:41:30.974-07:002010-07-22T07:41:30.974-07:00(Continued)
White Identity and National solidarit...(Continued)<br /><br />White Identity and National solidarity among ALL White Americans was promoted to heal the rifts caused between The North and The South. At the deliberate expense of all non-white Americans. Whitness itself became cultural capital as well as identity, something to be EARNED (Irish, Italian, Russian, etc..) attracting such immigrants. Racist Stereotypes became a wildly popular cultural commodity. Racist playing cards, Racist literature and entertainment, Racist advertising, Spectacle Lynchings , Whites only real estate in the South AND North AND West literally drove the US economy and largely still do to this day. <br /><br />The moral of the story? You cannot treat issues of Race, Class and Economics as separate. The One has always Lead to the Others. The Race concept itself was created to tie issues of Class to an Imperialist Economic agenda. America is the direct product of this white supremacist/imperialist legacy. Its economy and class structure relies on Race. YES STILL. But there is no sustaining such a campaign forever. Whiteness itself is to blame for the growing threat of economic and cultural disenfranchisement White people fear is happening to them today. The Tea Party are perhaps the White Canary in the coalmine of White Nationalism.<br /><br />Or let's HOPE.Jane Laplainnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-22193617432818619222010-07-22T07:39:19.050-07:002010-07-22T07:39:19.050-07:00@Guardian
But, a lot of the anger is related to i...@Guardian<br /><br /><i>But, a lot of the anger is related to issues of class and economics.</i><br /><br />Yes. "Why are us White People struggling not to become an underclass all the sudden? Why aren't us White people as economically powerful as we should be?" <br /><br />@ Lynx. Thank you. It's really tiresome how so many wish to minimize the importance of White Nationalism and White Supremacy concepts to American Identity. The US was built and founded on a premise of Manifest Destiny for WHITE People. Does anyone really argue with that? I mean really?<br /><br />The economy was structured to benefit a White Ruling Class while exploiting the "Othered" labor classes. White Identity was deliberately ceded to White Working Classes (not all of them all at once, some had to EARN whiteness, like the Irish and the Italians) as a form of cultural capital they could acquire to separate themselves from the "Other" classes... aka people of color. The development of the Consumer Economy we rely on today, wherein Production moved from inside the home to factories and storefronts depended upon the solidification of White Identity to spread. <br /><br />A large motivating factor for the Civil War, besides the Slavery Question, was that the North had become far more consumer oriented and factory economy based than the South, traditionally more in-home production and agricultural economy based. This created a real cultural divide in the regions that made it difficult to manage the two regions as a single country. Which in turn made it difficult to compete effectively in the Global Market. Post Reconstruction, the realization that Negroes were now free to roam and settle wherever they pleased, and soon, even to vote SHOCKED and Alienated Northern whites. Negro freedom from slavery was one thing, but Negro EQUALITY? YUCK!!<br /><br />Oh dear this is another long one, guess I'd better break it up into two.Jane Laplainnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-31032523100578235242010-07-22T00:13:41.772-07:002010-07-22T00:13:41.772-07:00White nationalism has always been a bedrock value ...White nationalism has always been a bedrock value of the American Empire, given its nature as a White colonizer state.<br /><br />Whether it be Liberal Demorats or Conservative Republicans in power, all American regimes ultimately reflect this political reality--some more openly, others more covertly.<br /><br />Mainstream White Americans comprise the mass social base for this US Empire and will instinctively attack and demonize the Other (foreign countries, racial minorities, immigrants) as scapegoats for the failings of their capitalist system.<br /><br />That's the broader socio-economic context behind these pathetic, cowardly displays of "White anger" that rear their ugly heads time and again.<br /><br />White Supremacy and racism--they are more American than apple pieLxyhttp://asianamericanmovement.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-52402521585510736732010-07-21T21:39:42.230-07:002010-07-21T21:39:42.230-07:00Inchoate anger = easily exploitable.....
I reckon...Inchoate anger = easily exploitable.....<br /><br />I reckon I could fairly guess a lot of the politics of people who post on this website. So, let me offer some thoughts on people you might not really understand...angry white folk (Tea Partiers, etc.).<br /><br />Now, first, as will be noted, there is a racist strand within the Tea Party anger - "This used to be our country."<br /><br />But, a lot of the anger is related to issues of class and economics. Anger is often exploitable, by the partisans who wish to refocus it on issues that will benefit politicians on polling day. That anger is redirected by both parties, but the Republicans are much better at. Anger is a visceral emotion, and the modern Republican party operates as an emotional machine. The anger stems from perceptions about, and insecurities from, class. Listen to Republican political operatives - they stoke and feed anger and resentment towards an "elite" political class. That's the way a lot of middle class whites feel.<br /><br />Race, class, and economics. The past twenty years have seen a great deal of benefits and power accrue within Washington DC (Federal budget growth = growth in disbursement power), while the fortunes of middle class whites have essentially remained unchanged. Furthermore, the prospects for high school only Americans are worse today than at any time since 1970. Meanwhile, the government has just bailed out Wall Street, and has enacted what are perceived to be enormous entitlements. Finally, the Washington DC elites, especially the Democrats (Republican elites disguise it much more), do not "seem" to share the same values as most Americans.<br /><br />Rather than make America a more fair or just society (which is hard), or a more economically competitive and educated society (which is hard), or a more moral and humble society (which is hard), it's a lot easier to fire up the political base on an issue like Sherrod.<br /><br />The genius of a great politician is to take the inchoate anger, and make something useful of it. FDR did it. His cousin Teddy did it. Weak politicians simply ride it.Guardiannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-65213516802326168152010-07-21T20:56:10.253-07:002010-07-21T20:56:10.253-07:00Jane Laplain: I'm feeling the same fear, and h...Jane Laplain: I'm feeling the same fear, and have been for some time. I have read some accounts of the outbreak of ethnic violence in other countries, as well as knowing US history, and politicians and media fanning the flames of hostility and conflict to serve their own ends is a very common pattern. This is very scary. I keep hoping I'm overreacting to what's on the news.olderwomanhttp://sociologicalconfessions.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-78020351182968325222010-07-21T20:40:03.945-07:002010-07-21T20:40:03.945-07:00I can't even stand to keep up with this story....I can't even stand to keep up with this story. It's so nakedly dishonest and spiteful for its own sake.<br /><br />@ThatDeborah Girl. I feel you. The CONSTANT race baiting and reckless fanning of racial hatred in the media is really starting to terrify me now. Not just worry me, but TERRIFY me. For the last year oh so I've been thinking "Wow, I haven't felt this much naked racial resentment from the white mainstream since the 80's..." But the levels of open race hate are beginning to surpass what I remember in my lifetime. I feel like I'm being sucked backwards in time... I was born in the 70's so I don't remember living thru the "adjustment" period of white people suddenly having to integrate their shit and begin affirmative action.... Is this a backlash? It feels like a mounting Race Riot to me.<br /><br />Violence is cyclical. White people haven't mobbed and busted POC heads for a while. I think we'd best gird our loins.Jane Laplainnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-23598233966557221462010-07-21T18:53:04.932-07:002010-07-21T18:53:04.932-07:00@ qotc
Except the NAACP itself has come out and s...@ qotc<br /><br />Except the NAACP itself has come out and said it acted hastily.jas0nburnsnoreply@blogger.com