tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post4894239275068094886..comments2024-03-06T08:29:13.333-08:00Comments on stuff white people do: contrast white individuality with non-white homogeneitymacon dhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07795547197817128339noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-39686715814427316252009-09-03T06:06:54.590-07:002009-09-03T06:06:54.590-07:00"Aussies are primarily white, been there. I d...<i>"Aussies are primarily white, been there. I didn't see much color."</i><br /><br />Wow. Um, I AM Australian, and have lived in Australia all of my live. We are a very multicultural society, and the Asian population of Australia has absolutely exploded in the past twenty or thirty years. Seriously - there are Asians EVERYWHERE, more so than any other race. It's very likely that there are more people of Asian ancestry at my University than white people. There's no reason why a Japanese person could not have been the focal point of this ad, rather than the background. I hardly think it would alienate anybody.Greennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-22819202188043221602009-08-31T21:57:01.493-07:002009-08-31T21:57:01.493-07:00This type of thing is shameful.
I feel so sad fo...This type of thing is shameful. <br /><br />I feel so sad for Asians in Australia, they seem so deprived of certain rights and freedoms, in fact all ethnic minorities are victimized and degraded in the same way.<br /><br />The worst thing is that some Asian Australian have gotten used to it if if they are robbed of their cultural and identity.<br /><br />Everyone in Australia is an immigrant in my books and they are NON-NATIVE so I don't know why they think Australia should be white since it never was.<br /><br />How can Asian Australian be so disunited and quiet about it!<br /><br />Nobody should live like that they should complain, voice out!Ex-Asian Australianhttp://sad.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-85673846452182473022009-08-21T06:32:04.934-07:002009-08-21T06:32:04.934-07:00@gooblyglob: Maybe J saw us and assumed we were to...@gooblyglob: Maybe J saw us and assumed we were tourists!<br /><br />This is the reason why the only Australian television I watch anymore is reality shows like Project Runway Australia. <br /><br />At least when you watch a more merit-based reality show (as opposed to Big Brother), you know that there's a chance the people on the screen will vaguely resemble the people you see walking down the street. <br /><br />I mean, in those split-second shots of the Australian Idol audition line-ups, you see more people of colour than you see in a year (in ten years!) of Australian television drama.Asian Australiannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-9266707893830146462009-08-21T03:52:59.285-07:002009-08-21T03:52:59.285-07:00@Asian Australian - I hear what you're saying....@Asian Australian - I hear what you're saying... I guess some people don't want to believe that Asian people like us actually call Australia home too *sigh*gooblyglobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09782587968107641808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-47383551876078851972009-08-21T03:05:37.651-07:002009-08-21T03:05:37.651-07:00BeautyHealthZoneBlog, actually the original inhabi...BeautyHealthZoneBlog, actually the original inhabitants of Australia are not "literally almost extinct now".<br /><br />Again, according to the Australian Bureau of Statistics (2006): 2.5% of Australians are Indigenous. <br /><br />That's 517,000 people you've erased. <br /><br />Also, the word is 'extinct' is an incredibly inappropriate word when you're talking about <i>people</i>.Asian Australiannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-44647933587743570602009-08-21T02:46:25.450-07:002009-08-21T02:46:25.450-07:00J, who thinks that "Aussies are primarily whi...J, who thinks that "Aussies are primarily white, been there. I didn't see much color".<br /><br />That's funny because according to the 2006 Australian Census - 8.3% of Australians have Asian ancestry. Perhaps you had your eyes closed when you came here.<br /><br />I can tell you that I'm Asian Australian, and I exist. My family exists. Not that you would know that from our commercial media.Asian Australiannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-68604384378542352262009-08-21T00:28:43.259-07:002009-08-21T00:28:43.259-07:00@ tiny britches~
Multiculturalism/Diversity: anot...@ tiny britches~<br /><br />Multiculturalism/Diversity: another way to keep people out of the almighty White Club.Christophernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-14152520858565801742009-08-20T20:31:28.447-07:002009-08-20T20:31:28.447-07:00Deaf Indian Muslim Anarchist! said...
"but I...Deaf Indian Muslim Anarchist! said...<br /><br /><b><i>"but I have always resented white people for claiming a different culture that's not their own, and then being given credit."</i></b><br /><br />Hmmm....It reminds me of a few years ago, I was growing my hair out and decided to have my hair in cane-rows all going back, but just my hair and no extensions.<br /><br />This was around the time when David Beckham (A football player) had his hair in plaits/braids.<br /><br />I went in to work one day and someone says to me "Oh, you have David Beckham's hairstyle." So, I said "No, David Beckham has my hairstyle, actually."<br /><br />Black people have been wearing cane-rows/braids from time immemorial, David Beckham comes and along with braids and then we are supposedly wearing 'his hairstyle' and then it is suddenly high fashion...LOLAntonia - Beauty Health Finance and Green Issues Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18105675673609631392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-7346515084643335522009-08-20T13:43:50.074-07:002009-08-20T13:43:50.074-07:00"Whereas nonwhites are perceived first and fo..."Whereas nonwhites are perceived first and foremost as a function of their group belongingness, that is, as black or Latino or Asian (and then as individuals)"<br /><br />this line really stuck out to me, possibly as an explanation for why a lot of white people feel the need to police the identities of people who are multi-ethnic or from an unfamiliar culture for "authenticity", and try to shame people who aren't expressive enough of their group membership as "not really [x]" or "too white to be [x]". That this is usually done in the name of political correctness or promoting "diversity" makes it an excellent case study in the way that rich white fake-liberals use "diversity" as a way to refuse to examine their understanding of people from different cultural groups.Juleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13173891052084133676noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-13490371641755796722009-08-20T11:27:18.404-07:002009-08-20T11:27:18.404-07:00@honeybrown1976
I really don't see much wrong...@honeybrown1976<br /><br />I really don't see much wrong with cultural appropriation when it occurs between equals with no recent history of domination.<br /><br /> From a European context I'd include Japan in that, but not China (and certainly not India). Nor, for that matter, can I see much wrong with it if its the less powerful appropriating elements of the dominant culture. Both of those can be, and have been, very productive activities and don't do anyone any harm.<br /><br />I agree, there can be great risk of hurt and offense if its a case of the powerful appropriating from the less powerful. Between equals, anything goes, it seems to me. Perhaps its the meaning of the word 'appropriation' that's the issue?<br /><br />White non-Hindus wearing Bindi, just seems utterly ridiculous to me. I can't say I've ever noticed that fad here, seems to me people are aware enough of real Hindus to feel daft doing that. Of course Madonna is going to do something clueless and embarrassing - that's what celebs do, that's "celebrity culture".pnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-54522904987107433742009-08-20T11:22:55.863-07:002009-08-20T11:22:55.863-07:00Doreen,
I can totally understand what you are sa...Doreen, <br /><br />I can totally understand what you are saying about the term, "exotic", which is another way of saying "other" or "non-white". Seriously, the term is not applied to whites.<br /><br />However, to be honest, I have no problem being referred to as an exotic woman of color. Here's why: if "exotic" means "other", "different", or "white", I'd much rather stand out in the crowd than deal with the contrary of "white" meaning "common" or "typical", which I often see in the world of beauty and fashion. No difference or unique identity appears in that world - just drones of the cut from the same cut.<br /><br />Revel in it, Doreen. I do.honeybrown1976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-69879993360162885332009-08-20T10:34:09.849-07:002009-08-20T10:34:09.849-07:00Vicki-
I'm reading that you think that the su...Vicki-<br /><br />I'm reading that you think that the supposed benefits of cultural appropriation outweigh the harms. However I'm not reading much from you that aknowledges perspectives of people who are being appropriated that may dissagree with you. Does restating that "cultural appropriation is cool" certify that it must be so?<br /><br />Your opinions (and that is precisely what they are) about enriching the appropriating cultures and bringing "good things" such as popularity to the appropriated ones sound in line with so much of the white-, euro- or western-centric teachings we are constantly told. America "brings democracy" to the world. Whites "brought civilization" to indigenous people around the world. The Christian Church "brought God" the the heathens of the world. Corporations "bring prosperity" to poor communities around the world. And Gwen Stefani "brought notoriety" to the Harajuku subculture. (Of course when we're talking about fashion, I think popularity tends to ruin it for the creators because when everyone is doing it then it's no longer edgy, so a new look must be created.)<br /><br />The party line about honoring or helping an appropriated culture ignores claims to the contrary from those being appropriated. "We're right. And they're too ignorant/backwards/primitive to bother listening to," is what I often hear (but rarely in those words, of course). It assumes that they wanted or needed to be appropriated regardless of declarations to the contrary, or that just a few people from a culture expropriating their ways are more worth listening to than the majority of their kin who present a counter viewpoint, because those few have something we want.<br /><br />You cite the US - Europe culture trading example. How much of that is driven by money and big business? Also, dominant US culture is a close sibling of dominant European culture compared to either of those in relation to the cultures of Africa, Asia, or indigenous Australia/NZ and North and South America. Just because mainstream (loaded word, I know) Americans are okay with Brits appropriating them doesn't means that, say, Maori are. The "but it happens to us too, and we don't mind" approach just doesn't convince me.<br /><br />"Cultural appropriation ROCKS" is an absolutist statement. Try going to an American "Columbus Day" protest and saying that.Shepherdnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-72111899991884832182009-08-20T09:19:08.934-07:002009-08-20T09:19:08.934-07:00J
-I'm Ghanaian. I can't remember the las...J<br /><br />-I'm Ghanaian. I can't remember the last time I saw Ghanaians like this. Or any kind of African, to be honest. <br /><br />Also, "Aussies are primarily white, been there. I didn't see much color. So, in order to appeal to the demographic and instill the qualities of Japan this was the ad campaign they relied on. If they had used a Japanese model to promote the jeans, none of the Aussies would think that the jeans would actually fit them since Aussies are typically larger in size than Japanese."<br /><br />Are you serious? Just because Australia is mostly white doesn't mean there aren't any nonwhites. It's not like if you see someone of a race different from you wearing jeans that means you can't relate to them, and therefore cannot buy those jeans. According to that logic, no clothing would be selling in China because about 60% (personal estimate) of the ads use white people. And do you really think that Australians are so stupid that if they saw someone of a certain size modeling jeans, they would assume that the jeans came in that size only? Last time I checked, models have never been representative of the size of the general population, so that line of reasoning makes no sense.Doreennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-2931856576490303912009-08-20T02:45:26.311-07:002009-08-20T02:45:26.311-07:00Ugh, I hate these ads. I've never seen them be...Ugh, I hate these ads. I've never seen them before, but the whole quiet submissive Asian women serving as a background for the regular (read: white) people is incredibly offensive. <br /><br />I HATE the word exotic. What is that even supposed to mean? I guess it means not American, but I guess it also has to mean not white because I have never heard the word used in reference to anything having to do with Europe. <br /><br />One of my favorite things is the use of Africa as being referred to as "exotic" and animal or colorful print fabrics being referred to as "African prints". These kinds of ads don't usually feature black people as a backdrop, but they inevitably label them "African" and "exotic." Because everyone on the entire content wears the exact same type of clothing and we all skin our own animals and wear them and certainly never wear jeans or t-shirts or suits...Doreennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-62039146752982567052009-08-20T01:05:51.662-07:002009-08-20T01:05:51.662-07:00Good Goobly. I was going to reference the past pos...Good Goobly. I was going to reference the past posts. America and its ideal is certainly considered white (or code word: mainstream). Maybe that's not apparent to non-natives or foreigners; but, that's definitely known to those born and raised here.<br /><br />I've yet to see where it's not.honeybrown1976noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-25338501117240781982009-08-20T00:53:11.802-07:002009-08-20T00:53:11.802-07:00"So, in your book, "stealing food" ..."So, in your book, "stealing food" is not a crime?"<br /><br />They were also mostly minors, and had stolen the food to survive because they had been forced of their land and could no longer provide for themselves. Sometimes the charges were made up as well. So yes, it is an ugly stereotype.Isabelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-70371748437350041942009-08-19T23:48:23.078-07:002009-08-19T23:48:23.078-07:00honeybrown1976 -
Is it cool when a college kid sl...honeybrown1976 -<br /><br />Is it cool when a college kid slaps on a bindhi, or a Chinese tattoo simply because it looks cool? No. That's about the simplest, most boring form of cultural appropriation one can do, and... it's simple and boring.<br /><br />Is it cool when a big star like Madonna appropriates voguing, or Stefani appropriates a Japanese teen subculture? Yes and no. On the one hand it popularizes a subculture, which can mean good things for the originators, and it can enrich the wider culture. On the other hand, it makes money for big bland corporations constantly on the prowl for new, authentic content to dumb down and repackage. <br /><br />But take a love of Strawberry Switchblade, a fascination with early UK goth, plus Edwardian costumery and mix it all together with a sensibility raised on Hello Kitty. Do you think these Japanese teenage girls have any idea what it all meant to the people that they were stealing from? Of course not - they appropriated all the elements and mixed them together to satisfy themselves and in the process made something that looks utterly original. The Gothic Lolita phenomenon is a great example of good cultural appropriation.<br /><br />In the pop music world, cultural appropriation is happening constantly between the US and Europe. There's a wonderful tradition of English kids mimicking what they think is cool about US music, and then re-presenting it, always with a distinctively skewed Brit twist to it. It goes the other direction too, of course.<br /><br />I remember the 80s punk tape trading scene fondly. You would run across these amazing hybrids of, say, Brazilian punk rock bands imitating American punk bands who were imitating UK punk bands, and around and around. Did anyone get on the Brazilian band's case because they were doing a second hand ripoff? Of course not - because at that point the ripoff had become something else altogether.<br /><br />Like I said, cultural appropriation is great.Vicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-76941716947949395132009-08-19T23:11:48.674-07:002009-08-19T23:11:48.674-07:00@BeautyHealthZoneBlog.com Editor
This is probably...@BeautyHealthZoneBlog.com Editor <br />This is probably a better post to show the American = white stereotype/belief.<br /><a href="http://stuffwhitepeopledo.blogspot.com/2009/07/declare-themselves-real-americans.html" rel="nofollow">declare themselves the real americans</a>gooblyglobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09782587968107641808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-56663743395825655582009-08-19T23:08:32.365-07:002009-08-19T23:08:32.365-07:00@BeautyHealthZoneBlog.com Editor
no you didn'...@BeautyHealthZoneBlog.com Editor<br /><br />no you didn't say we hate ourselves, but to hide and not speak out against our invisibility would imply that we do not think of ourselves as worthy for recognition most likely due to self-hatred or something similar.<br /><br />"Is America stereotyped as White?"<br />please refer to Macon's post <a href="http://stuffwhitepeopledo.blogspot.com/2009/07/see-white-and-male-as-neutral.html" rel="nofollow">see "white" and "male" as neutral conditions</a><br /><br />I *LIVE* in Australia, believe me PoC including Black people also live here. So thank you for finally mentioning that PoC do exist in Australia. That's all I was looking for.gooblyglobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09782587968107641808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-11319232941316727892009-08-19T22:54:30.175-07:002009-08-19T22:54:30.175-07:00I have spotted a few typos in my last comment. I n...I have spotted a few typos in my last comment. I need to stop visiting this site into the early hours of the morning, to be frank.Antonia - Beauty Health Finance and Green Issues Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18105675673609631392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-78076137756478889912009-08-19T22:35:17.384-07:002009-08-19T22:35:17.384-07:00gooblyglob,
"so... just because America is ...gooblyglob, <br /><br /><b><i>"so... just because America is stereotyped as white... does it mean that a PoC in America is any less American than their white counterpart?"</i></b><br /><br />Of course not. Is America stereotyped as White? You see Americans of all races and faces all the time in the USA.<br /><br /><b><i>"when you say Australians? are you saying that Asians, Polynesians, Aborigines and Africans here are making themselves invisible? are you saying we hate ourselves or something? because I don't see these other PoC as any less Australian than me."</i></b><br /><br />To be clear, or maybe I'm not being clear enough, when I say Australians, I mean Australians who run the media over there.<br /><br />I am sure that the people of colour and Black people over there are not making themselves invisible, but to clarify for you, Australians of all shades, colours and races, other than White are not well represented in the media. Anyone watching a multitude of the programmes that are screened in the UK from Australia etc, apart from maybe one futuristic film I saw many years ago, can see that races other than White are not well represented in Australia TV programmes, if at all.<br /><br />Maybe your Australian media are selective of what the screen outside of Australia, who knows.<br /><br />In fact, if you were going by these programmes alone, one would think that POC and Black do not actually exist over there.<br /><br />Also, don't put words into my mouth...I am pretty straightforward in what I say...Why would you hate yourselves? Don't ask me silly questions.Antonia - Beauty Health Finance and Green Issues Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18105675673609631392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-41945990628804790262009-08-19T22:08:23.531-07:002009-08-19T22:08:23.531-07:00@BeautyHealthZoneBlog.com Editor
that's not w...@BeautyHealthZoneBlog.com Editor<br /><br />that's not what I meant -_-'<br /><br />so... just because America is stereotyped as white... does it mean that a PoC in America is any less American than their white counterpart?<br /><br />"So, I think Australians etc are doing a pretty good job themselves of making Black and POC quite invisible."<br /><br />when you say Australians? are you saying that Asians, Polynesians, Aborigines and Africans here are making themselves invisible? are you saying we hate ourselves or something? because I don't see these other PoC as any less Australian than me.gooblyglobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09782587968107641808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-78860302232914215102009-08-19T21:59:02.904-07:002009-08-19T21:59:02.904-07:00LOL...I am contributing to the invisibility of peo...LOL...I am contributing to the invisibility of people of colour in Australia?<br /><br />Hardly. <br /><br />Australia's portrayal of POC in the media and on television is very few and far between.<br /><br />Take Neighbours, Home and Away, Prisoner cell block H as examples, there are other Australain and New Zealand programmes we used to enjoy watching, I have never seen a Black person or POC in any of these shows and I watched them from the age of about 13 and well into my late teens. <br /><br />So, I think Australians etc are doing a pretty good job themselves of making Black and POC quite invisible. So, don't blame me for that.Antonia - Beauty Health Finance and Green Issues Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18105675673609631392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-73666393109362132472009-08-19T21:43:59.759-07:002009-08-19T21:43:59.759-07:00@BeautyHealthZoneBlog.com Editor
Why would steali...@BeautyHealthZoneBlog.com Editor<br /><br />Why would stealing food be made a crime? The fact that people can't afford food is what should be the crime!<br /><br />"Also, I am not concerned about your colour. I'm British and I'm not White, so what's your point?"<br /><br />My point is that you are contributing to the invisibility of PoC in Australia.gooblyglobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09782587968107641808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-55908832844241279172009-08-19T21:20:20.844-07:002009-08-19T21:20:20.844-07:00gooblyglob,
So, in your book, "stealing foo...gooblyglob, <br /><br />So, in your book, "stealing food" is not a crime? Stealing is stealing. In some countries they would chop your hand off for that.<br /><br />Yes, of course things have changed and other settlers moved to Australia. However, the place was used as a prison colony, as bad as it may sound.<br /><br />Also, my point is or was that these people, who did not originate from the place in the first instance, now have the audacity to tell everybody else to keep out..."Niggers and Japs" according to the video. Kind of typical.<br /><br />Also, I am not concerned about your colour. I'm British and I'm not White, so what's your point?<br /><br />Incidentally, my cousin got a job offer in Australia, but decided to decline the offer and is moving back home to Africa.Antonia - Beauty Health Finance and Green Issues Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18105675673609631392noreply@blogger.com