tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post4795844829854109746..comments2024-03-06T08:29:13.333-08:00Comments on stuff white people do: claim they have native american bloodmacon dhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07795547197817128339noreply@blogger.comBlogger249125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-58767593904142926942013-09-28T17:24:12.421-07:002013-09-28T17:24:12.421-07:00I don't know if you still have your blog. I w...I don't know if you still have your blog. I want to respond to the comments about people not claiming their black ancestry while claiming native American ancestry because this issue is something that has really affected my family. My grandmother always told us that her grandfather was Indian and owned slaves but that he was "very good to them because they were his family." I grew up thinking my grandmother was just nuts, and maybe a liar to boot. She absolutely hated black people, regularly used the "N" word, and became violently angry when she found out my sister was dating a black man. She and my mother both said, many times, "you can't date a black man no matter how much you love him because your children would have terrible lives." Finally, I did my research and found out my g g grandfather really did own slaves, and that some people said he was half black and the family said he was half Indian. Further research revealed he was both. He was black and Indian with some white slave owner blood in him. He was white enough to fight in a white unit in the civil war and then buy his family. The slaves he owned were indeed his family members that he had been able to buy. His children and grandchildren and great grandchildren lived in dirt floor shacks in the Ozark mountains. My grandmother gave birth to all of her children in one of those shacks. They were the poorest of the poor, the outcasts of society. In the 50s the US government went out to the Ozarks recruiting poor illiterate hillbillies to work at Sunflower Ammunition Plant in Kansas. The housing they provided was poor by anybody else's standards but they had a real floor, and plumbing, electricity, and enough to eat. My grandmother knew it would be best if nobody knew about her black blood and only claimed her Indian blood to explain her very black hair. Indian reservations were bad and the conditions for people with black in them were even worse. She wasn't being prejudiced when she tried to get us to leave our black blood behind, she was trying to prevent us from suffering the way she had. Rocky Acreshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15897456167896735698noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-79355541717047560982013-07-27T18:01:23.742-07:002013-07-27T18:01:23.742-07:00Such stories get handed down of the years and get ...Such stories get handed down of the years and get twisted about. For example, in the case of my family. My great, great, great grandfather took for himself 1 wife and 6 mistresses, 3 of which were Native American. After doing research, none of those 3 are in my direct line, however, because of that information, over time it got distorted and I grew up thinking I had Native American blood when in fact I did not. I did have a grandmother who was Black Dutch, the native peoples of that part of Europe. That also led to the twisted account of Native American blood. Most will believe family tradition before they believe anything else. I only found out the truth through family historical research and DNA testing. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-23505048327132635332013-07-16T02:11:08.213-07:002013-07-16T02:11:08.213-07:00lol.. I like that term "pretendians", ne...lol.. I like that term "pretendians", next time some white person comes up to me and says, "I am part Indian", I'll just say, "Oh, you must be from the pretendian tribe... lot of members there!"<br /><br />smhAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11194321016282132383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-55598785773469220562013-07-12T17:36:36.994-07:002013-07-12T17:36:36.994-07:00You. Need to study deep into who were the first pe...You. Need to study deep into who were the first people on earth were and trace commonalities.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17043664344997070669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-78860175072231454592013-07-06T18:14:45.363-07:002013-07-06T18:14:45.363-07:00Besides DNA confirmation, there is usually a paper...Besides DNA confirmation, there is usually a paper trail; consisting of birth certificates, Rolls numbers (like Dawes or Millars), and census & other documents. Also, if one or more of your grandparents speak a given language or dialect... and also, there are other indicators in different tribes such as the blue birthmark, the shape of teeth, blood types, etc. I do not think that *everyone* who wishes to find out about their heritage (whatever it might be)are doing it to exploit anyone or be cool. Maybe they just want to know who they are and to honor their Ancestors. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09097540239032291033noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-44438315463412113072013-06-29T15:08:45.887-07:002013-06-29T15:08:45.887-07:00"..please keep in mind that there are some th...<br /> "..please keep in mind that there are some that genuinely do have family memebers that have tribal affiliations, they just may not have had the opportunity to fully grow and be a part of what they are."<br /><br />Thanks for saying this BrendaInIAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05698896249655885896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-9731750293524694652013-06-28T06:43:40.002-07:002013-06-28T06:43:40.002-07:00My family has another spin... the nation recognize...My family has another spin... the nation recognizes their status but they can't register. So their percentage is added to their children, if they marry someone already within the nation. But then, that kind of invalidates everything, doesn't it?<br /><br />(also peeps, there's no real "purity" under most bands/tribes/nations... there's several other native groups that fly under the banner (aside from those through marriages), like belonging to the cherokee nation, even if you have sioux roots, you're cherokee, ya dig. But there's also some nasty politics regarding the dawes roll and more specific political schemes with some bands, to which recognition might be established but can be denied - some more reflective on u.s. treaties from way back when - one route is those that had private land, wanted to keep their land and refused to move to indian designated areas ... so they lost the right to apply to the dawes, sadder bit most of them lost their land anyway and fell into another unprotected class altogether - not having the limited protections of official indian status but not really being consider 'white' either. modern day, it's been a case by case basis, far and few, taken to a vote ... even if someone from that line has been approved it doesn't mean their siblings have right to it too. But a lot of that gets complicated and varies between the times and whatever the trending politics are. And of course, there's more recent actions, decisions which create inner barriers, or lead to expulsion. There's the drama of the freedmen - which brought back the one drop rule (for whether you're more nation or more freedman) even in families that had more native blood than a fair deal of the leaders... in just the last few decades.) neither norhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00419386738242829913noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-19645067059092397102013-06-17T10:37:50.613-07:002013-06-17T10:37:50.613-07:00Just recently I myself have found out that I do ha...Just recently I myself have found out that I do have some Jamaican American Blood in my heritage along with Native American blood. both of these bloods are mixed with a lot of Irish, noweign, German, Scottish ,and unknown blood. I do not claim to know what it is ever like to be a black person or struggle with native american problems. I am by most parts of me White , yet I do claim all my ancestors as i find them because they are part of me and wither or not other family members acknowledge that their legacy in principles have been taught to all of their decedents. From my 3 great Jamican grandfather my family learned hard work, family first, and to fight for freedom. from his granddaughter (who was British, Cheyenne, Jamaican, and Irish) we learned to worship God and to help others out. From her husband who was German we learned hard work again and a love of nature. These things have been passed down in more than blood history , so begging the question how could I deny where I come from my Mother's people. I hope to one day meet each of them on the other side and hear their stories.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08963211571882178213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-6720814111472602382013-06-16T10:21:12.379-07:002013-06-16T10:21:12.379-07:00I know what is in the bloodline of my heritage, bu...I know what is in the bloodline of my heritage, but not geneology as in names. I have always found it sad that the "whiteman" via history has always taken and given very little if anything back. Be it native or negro music, heritage property etc. I also find it impossible to identify with any group. I have the basics of the human race within my blood line. There is Negro, Cacausion and Oriental in my line. I have been "pointed" at by all and accepted by none. I declare I am a human being and God don't make no junk. Does my heritage matter that much, as I am here. If I were a dog, I would be called a mutt. Mother said mutts were the best breed to have. Thus I am the best and part of all. I met a man of negro heritage, he was telling me all his problems regarding colour. I told him at least he could identify with one group of the human race. "Look at me, what's your problem. At least you can identify with one group of the human race". I said to him. He agreed. I would love to see a place online for those of us of mixed heretage. Let's start our own group although I have no idea how.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-46231979449957903792013-05-05T13:20:17.090-07:002013-05-05T13:20:17.090-07:00I have problems with this for different reasons. M...I have problems with this for different reasons. My skin is extremely pale, but my hair and eyes are dark. The blood in my ancestry isn't a myth or a fairy tale. My father had red-brown skin and black hair, but my mother was white and I inherited her skin. I grew up in a Nation, though. I grew up with the stories, the songs, the traditions, the food, wearing the regalia to gatherings, marching in parades, doing charity work, participating in cultural education. Although I agree with the point that searching out ancestry in this way is damaging, one shouldn't confuse every person that has pale skin with a 'pretendian'. I think cultural exposure matters, and my culture was not white. I never considered myself white. I still identify white as secondary because I didn't live with my white mother until I was nearly 15.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00891448782181129195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-65490435435339194192013-04-15T06:46:38.499-07:002013-04-15T06:46:38.499-07:00My Name is Onieda i was given that name by my trib...My Name is Onieda i was given that name by my tribe. I'm full Native american i am iroquoian . I've met many to claim to be native but it only bothers me when they speak false information and claim things they have no knowledge of. it can be quite tiring. I alos tire of the stereotype of how we natives are suppose to look. each tribe looks different due to different trinbal values and different areas we live in. I am part of the southern tribes. We each look different. Yet most of us have to take the dna test to recieve our tribal cards and to be recognized as Native americanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-49667803368751690082013-03-08T22:58:15.997-08:002013-03-08T22:58:15.997-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Dooooooooooohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07903458701868657770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-50028683062323904242013-02-26T13:23:57.732-08:002013-02-26T13:23:57.732-08:00It's funny I stumbled across this old post... ...It's funny I stumbled across this old post... I am white, or to be different I guess I could say 1/2 Scottish, 1/4 Italian and the rest is English, Welsh, French, German and so on... LOL <br /><br />I have been working on my family tree for over 15 years and I did do a DNA test through FamilyTreeDNA.com and there is no trace of Native blood in me and I never thought there was... BUT, when I got together with my wife, I started working on her family tree...<br /><br />EVERYONE in her family claims that they are Cherokee, a story handed to them from their mother. My wife's aunt, uncle and father have all told me about their great grandmother, Anna Catherine (Hoschar) Rhodes and how she was full blooded Cherokee and that she was over 100 years old when she died and they remember being at her funeral and before she died, she lived on a reservation in West Virginia... They all have their homes decorated with cheap "Indian" art that they picked up from tourist shops... <br /><br />Well, my research (and a trip to her headstone) showed me that she was 94 when she died and that the Hoschar family came from France in the mid 1700's... Her husband Benjamin Franklin Rhodes was born in 1841, so maybe they were using his birth date instead of her's (she was born in 1864 and died 1959)...<br /><br />When I broke the news to my wife's family, they got very upset and it started a fight... My wife believes my findings, but her family is very pissed off at me, saying I'm calling their mother a liar and I'm trying to take away their heritage... When I gave them pictures of the headstone and a copy of her death certificate, they said the government lies and covered up their great grandmothers heritage... <br /><br />REALLY? I find it so funny that they NEED to be part Cherokee, otherwise their life is a lie...Michael Thompsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16568742882896478334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-35047130112456989572013-02-13T18:29:35.087-08:002013-02-13T18:29:35.087-08:00Okay, I can understand where many of these posts a...Okay, I can understand where many of these posts are coming from. But for me, it makes me hesitate to be any sort of vocal of my heritage, so to say.<br />My grandfather is Cherokee and my grandmother is Blackfoot/Nakota. But I was not raised in the knowledge of those nations' traditions or practices and so on. I personally do not claim tribal affiliation, when people ask me I say my grandparents are native. With all my heart I wish I could learn more about where I come from, but my grandfather was not raised on a rez or in a tribal environment, his father died when he was a child and he and his sisters were raised by a white family. There is a head dress from my grandmother's side supposedly floating around between family members, but I've never seen it. I've seen pictures of family members at various organizations and meetings. But I do not claim to be native american, I claim to come from a native family.<br /><br />I know there are many claiming this to seem interesting and so on. But please keep in mind that there are some that genuinely do have family memebers that have tribal affiliations, they just may not have had the opportunity to fully grow and be a part of what they are.Jerusa Stilwellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09539733001780942652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-55612473898195643022013-02-12T12:49:34.504-08:002013-02-12T12:49:34.504-08:00It's interesting to see that the old one drop ...It's interesting to see that the old one drop rule still applies in America. Old slave mentality just won't go away. 'Too soon'?choctawnationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03876699503983643004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-11110669052642997312013-02-10T15:32:20.238-08:002013-02-10T15:32:20.238-08:00My grandfather has a lot of Cherokee in him. Its v...My grandfather has a lot of Cherokee in him. Its very obvious, hes dark skinned and (in his younger years) had black hair and dark brown eyes with a wide face and nose. My great great grandma was full blooded cherokee. However, I have no features like my grandfather. My grandma has no indian what so ever. She is completely Irish. My mother is dark skinned with dark brown hair and she has the high cheek bones and a wide jaw. I look partially asain. I have squinty eyes and my skin color is yellow. My dads side they are all dutch. I wish I could find out how much cherokee my mother and grandfather have in them. Does anyone know besides ancestory.com? I took the free trial and my birth records were no where on there. My sisters' records where there but mine weren't. So is there any other websites?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07864311845816022468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-19514893030045679482013-01-18T19:29:39.135-08:002013-01-18T19:29:39.135-08:00I also entertained the indian princess fantasy whe...I also entertained the indian princess fantasy when i was young after seeing pocahontas becuase i knew that i was half choctaw. Luckily which many on this blog do not seem aware my fantasy of being and indian princess came true. Although, not through finding noble blood in my ancestry, but by a pageant. The Choctaw Nation holds princess pageants every year to give 36 young ladies the honor of representing their tribe. I say 36 because their are 12 districts within the tride and three princesses per district; little miss, junior miss, and senior miss. So I really am an indian princess lolAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13607942942493995852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-70935270101090641412013-01-18T19:03:54.276-08:002013-01-18T19:03:54.276-08:00Yes i have come across this many times and in real...Yes i have come across this many times and in reality it is often due to their southern european roots like german or italian, italian being extremely dark but still considered european, not because of native american ancestryAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13607942942493995852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-33704372645286184192013-01-18T18:59:24.725-08:002013-01-18T18:59:24.725-08:00I have to say that Jon is correct in many schools ...I have to say that Jon is correct in many schools NOW being white is not good. Perhaps not the teachers telling students that being white is bad but definitely society and other childrens parents. I know this from experience. My older sister has faced a lot of anxiety about appearing white. Perhaps when you were in school this was not the case but it is most definitely in 2013. BTW I am native americanAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13607942942493995852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-35573712599807242432013-01-18T18:51:15.461-08:002013-01-18T18:51:15.461-08:00I think you are totally right about people claimin...I think you are totally right about people claiming native american instead of black and any other race, because no one will challenege them due to such a low Native American population.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13607942942493995852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-37052991898691802252012-10-29T13:41:09.551-07:002012-10-29T13:41:09.551-07:00It get's ridiculous with the pure blood commen...It get's ridiculous with the pure blood comments. Even during the Trail of Tears, many, and a Majority were not "Pure Blood" but were in fact Cherokee intact by culture in people. Blood itself does not make one any more or less a person or people. The dedication, support of the tradition and culture and spirit inside does.<br /><br />Many Natives have other blood in them. Many have tribal blood. There are millions who have Native ancestors. Some care about tribal issues and support it, others do not. <br /><br />The "Cherokee or Aniyvwiya, which is more accurate then the creek given variant of Tsalagi adapted later by "Cherokee" were a large group of Iroquoian people. Expansive in size compared to other Iroquoian tribes, hence such a large influence.<br /><br />The were also largely affected by the blending, force integration, and later removal. <br /><br />Myself having Cherokee blood (as well as Chahta), or ancestors and relatives is not the whole picture. Being Indian wasn't always a pride thing, and was hidden. My Grandmother wanted it hidden, admit it and you didn't get work outside the nation when times got ruff during times of fluctuation. Now it is cool to some to say "I have Indian blood". Yet it wasn't that way earlier on.<br /><br />The other aspects is culture. DO you understand and help preserve the language. Respect the laws, rules and elders? Help educate others? Help development of programs? Tradition? As well as growth?<br /><br />The Cherokee had to, as I see it, give in. Adapt, while clinging to tradition but playing the civilized image. Like other tribal nations. <br /><br /><br />People grabbing onto ancestor ties is probably more because their spirit is dying. Things today are crushing it. Our resources are polluted, and some of us feel a tie to the suffering of the past, and the land. Spirit is stronger then blood, and the spirit blood over comes trials given to Natives and all they had to suffer. If I could go back, my spirit would fight for the people. I would probably end up dead in the process.<br /><br />Houstonhearthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09563319774116580631noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-76076034962108349032012-09-09T07:07:21.112-07:002012-09-09T07:07:21.112-07:00My mother is 50% algonquin. She looks brown as hel...My mother is 50% algonquin. She looks brown as hell. My brother came out dark. I came out pale (mostly due to anemia) with a slightly asian looking appearance. I'm often mistaken for mediterrean white, or part asian. I have PROOF of native american ancestry in my family, and I consider myself a proud metis girl. But I guess my APPEARANCE makes me not so?Zero Nightskyehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18060185465656963153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-8994247824913929232012-07-19T01:28:42.957-07:002012-07-19T01:28:42.957-07:00Check out American Genes by the oxford professor/g...Check out American Genes by the oxford professor/geneticist, Bryan Sykes. He DNA tests on groups of people from america and Europe and surprising number of Europeans do actually have native genes in them(which is explainable since the Spanish took slaves from the Americas and their descendants are still alive in Europe today) but the most amazing thing of all is a that these native american's ALL had Caucasian genes but not just that they had genetic mutations present only in one of the 7 daughters of eve which are 7 white women who lived 12,000 years ago in Europe and Syria(caucus mountains). Native Americans do not have the mutations that are present in the mDNA(mitochondrial) of modern Europeans which can mean only one thing, 12,000 years ago, when the sea levels were 400 feet lower and the iceage was just coming to an end. There was a land bridge between Europe and Britain, Britain and Ice land, Iceland and Greenland, Greenland and Canada. There was also a land bridge between Alaska and Siberia which is where the Asian genes in the native american gene pool came from. oddly enough the time frame of 12,500 years ago also fits perfectly to when Plato's Atlantis was submerged into the sea and we can even follow his description to a lost continent that exists only as chains of islands in the pacific ocean today. Plato learned of Atlantis from Egyptian priests who gave him the exact location and if you even see the old shorelines of the ancient world(and lost continents) on Google earths ocean view, which is a complete map of the ocean floor. You can even see large apparently made made ports in the pacific ocean just west of Nazca, Peru and what appears to be thousand mile long perfectly straight roads connecting Easter Island to that submerged port city. Easter island is the mountain top of the of the lost continents called Mu in lore. Even Hy Brasil of Irish legend has an actual geographical accurate submerged land mass.JezeusKrishnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00502979867798404038noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-3110198792958814172012-07-13T12:59:42.303-07:002012-07-13T12:59:42.303-07:00I was told my Grandfather was Native American. My...I was told my Grandfather was Native American. My mom and dad split up when I was a baby and I have no ideas how to check this out. I would be interested to know of my history overall. I didn't look like the rest of the family, dark skin, green eyes, and black hair. I think it would be interesting to know.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03534263613589634350noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-39186112708734961352012-04-25T19:08:43.708-07:002012-04-25T19:08:43.708-07:00My grandfather, who had a lot of unsavory qualitie...My grandfather, who had a lot of unsavory qualities, told me, "My daddy was just an ol' drunk Indian." This was said with some shame. He then went on to relate a story to me of how he met his father one day on the street. He didn't know him as his mother had divorced his father in 1904. He said he could see his father's guilt and that the man gave him a silver dollar right there on the street. So while I knew we had some of the aforementioned ancestry, I never knew it was "cool" nor have I ever heard of any Indian princesses. I was always told that Native Americans had terrible problems with addictions and it was something we must overcome, not dwell on. Try not to lump us all together, ay?Elizabethhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16763449641744035441noreply@blogger.com