tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post3506706908477019422..comments2024-03-06T08:29:13.333-08:00Comments on stuff white people do: use racially coded jungle settings to promote world peacemacon dhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07795547197817128339noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-34220861504872442522010-06-22T15:08:46.293-07:002010-06-22T15:08:46.293-07:00I'm not sure where this belongs*, but: has any...I'm not sure where this belongs*, but: has anyone else seen this <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkxBR6wl_Ig" rel="nofollow">Miley Cyrus video</a>? Painful. And not just 'cause it's, well, Miley Cyrus.<br /><br />* There was also a thread somewhere about performing in front of anonymous Asians, although in this case it would probably have to be anonymous POC.Willownoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-36605346634776382952009-09-27T19:39:51.461-07:002009-09-27T19:39:51.461-07:00Well this is an interesting issue:
Is this video...<b> Well this is an interesting issue: </b><br /><br />Is this video racist? Perhaps, perhaps not. <br /><br />Many people have defined racism to me as a discriminatory action (discrimination is the action of drawing distinctions between two groups) forced upon a group by another possessing more power. <br /><br />This is why things like affirmative action are not classified as racist - they are designed to raise the power of a group that lacks it. According to this definition, any program that draws distinctions (therefore being discriminatory) can not be racist unless designed to aid a group holding the majority of the power. <br /><br />So, this video is ONLY racist if "peaceman" can be tied into a group that holds "all of the power". While it may be debatable in some paranoid circles to declare Jews a "majority power" in America would be farcical to the level of Henry Ford's rantings on Zionism. Therefore, by the accepted definition of racism, as only possibly preformed by a majority power, to define this man as white, and not Jewish, is very, very important. <br /><br />Are jews white? That depends on defining white, which to some is broad, and some is not. To some people a black man wearing a turtleneck (Star Trek) is "white". To others anyone lacking blue eyes and blond hair is black. <br /><br /><b>But to answer the short questions: </b><br /><br />Is this video potentially offensive? Yes. <br /><br />Does it draw an uncomfortable dichotomy? Yes. <br /><br />Is it difficult to watch due to the obvious comparison between blacks, and animals? Yes. <br /><br />Is this going to seriously damage the psyche of anyone, black, white or green? No.<br /><br />Should anyone care about, or belittle, the tired rantings of an old man just wanting peace? No.Mr. Hugenshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07072286176629274809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-59699960636065043102009-09-27T10:27:25.735-07:002009-09-27T10:27:25.735-07:00It's almost amusing. Some (most) white people...It's almost amusing. Some (most) white people really don't see how this video is racist.Amandanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-39098940414504953432009-09-24T07:32:48.849-07:002009-09-24T07:32:48.849-07:00Just b/c he's a Jewish person who has done goo...Just b/c he's a Jewish person who has done good things does not mean he isn't capable of racist behavior--which he clearly is.Roxiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10989862745571420807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-18628539258403065852009-09-22T13:18:39.823-07:002009-09-22T13:18:39.823-07:00So Jewish people can't be racist? Good motivat...So Jewish people can't be racist? Good motivations mean you can't be racist? Racism can be dismissed as being pc?Sussnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-83189713033123067612009-09-22T12:30:54.818-07:002009-09-22T12:30:54.818-07:00Personally, I'm shaking my head at the irony o...Personally, I'm shaking my head at the irony of seeing a jewish guy, who is likely significantly motivated by the Holocaust, getting attacked by a pack of strident PC types for being a racist.<br /><br />I think it would be interesting to hear from the Peaceman, Mr. Wilzig, himself, and hear his defense of his work. Perhaps someone should let him know his vid is "being called out" for racism over here and invite him to respond. After all, what's the point in "calling it out" if the author of the work doesn't even know he's being "called out?"Vicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-19561443639581747132009-09-22T07:03:04.726-07:002009-09-22T07:03:04.726-07:00@Baby's Breath:
Good point. What you said ...@Baby's Breath: <br /><br />Good point. What you said reminds me of <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2W4-0qUdHY" rel="nofollow">USA for Africa - We Are The World</a> with many African American artists, including Michael Jackson and Lionel Richie.Restructure!http://restructure.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-18888345726187248182009-09-21T21:07:48.500-07:002009-09-21T21:07:48.500-07:00I don't think anyone here is claiming the Wilz...I don't think anyone here is claiming the Wilzig's are "power white" (though it is true that Jews in America who look white have become white). My claim is that the video itself is a sad recreation of white colonialism that objectifies and primitivizes (if that's a word) black bodies. Also, take another look at lysse's comment above mine.<br /><br />Do you see the difference, from what you think is being said here?macon dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07795547197817128339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-56745547813456067482009-09-21T21:03:45.338-07:002009-09-21T21:03:45.338-07:00Power White how fucking dare you claim that The Wi...Power White how fucking dare you claim that The Wilzigs are Power White, His father Siggi if you brats did your homework was the only Jewish Banker brave enough to stand up against the Federal Reserve and the Power Whites who were bothered at the success of this hard working Jewish American Family. For you to claim that Jewish Americans are part of the WASP Elite is preposterous.<br /><br />You are all Wrong in your assumptions of Jewish Identity and the meaning of this video (Julia, Macon'D and Jillian)Wilzig Fannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-10856192305727077252009-09-21T11:50:57.233-07:002009-09-21T11:50:57.233-07:00Vick,
Jewish people certainly have their own set ...Vick,<br /><br />Jewish people certainly have their own set of issues that they're up against, but for all intents and purposes, in the United States, Jewish men are white. Absolutely white. Power white.Jillianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01792137126898623243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-14606592943875213982009-09-21T07:45:53.356-07:002009-09-21T07:45:53.356-07:00Pansy,
You're kidding, right?Pansy, <br />You're kidding, right?Juliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02945385659698659077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-24844867903764942662009-09-20T20:19:05.456-07:002009-09-20T20:19:05.456-07:00Seriously what the hell stop over analyzing, It is...Seriously what the hell stop over analyzing, It is a video about Peace. Not about "White Male Savior" This is Peaceman not some new age rendition of Rudyard Kiplinger poem "White Man's Burden"Pansynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-46736103196152602232009-09-20T12:02:00.670-07:002009-09-20T12:02:00.670-07:00Wow. I didn't know they made a video during th...Wow. I didn't know they made a video during the Scramble for Africa. It smacks of the justification for colonization.Victoriahttp://vintagelux.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-85342447072123287922009-09-20T10:12:19.332-07:002009-09-20T10:12:19.332-07:00Great post, but I think creating "fantasized,...Great post, but I think creating "fantasized, paternalistic relationships" is simply stuff western people do -- whether or not they're white. For example, this video reminds me of Alicia Keys "Superwoman" video. One of the characters is identified simply on her website as "the African" one of five women who is "super" (in this case because she has to go for miles to get water for her family.) I'm sure Alicia means well, but I don't like that all the continent's women (who in real life play a diversity of roles from Guinean judges, Yoruba market women, Sowo congresswomen, etc. ) get reduced to one stereotype "the African," and I also don't like the trope of the African American woman speaking for the African woman who is rendered as what African female scholar Oyeronke Oyewumi calls (not referring to this video) "this bestial imagery using the depiction of the beast of burden arguably, the dominant image of the African woman today. Elsewhere, I have argued that the belabored image of the overworked African woman complements the image of African men as lazy and indolent in traditional Africanist discourse."Baby's Breathnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-86361719336403713272009-09-19T07:34:46.402-07:002009-09-19T07:34:46.402-07:00The i mage he is portraying in the video is a litt...The i mage he is portraying in the video is a little old.<br />Its time the world moved on from thisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-54163639959988086822009-09-19T06:22:36.943-07:002009-09-19T06:22:36.943-07:00Additional messages that I'm seeing in the vid...Additional messages that I'm seeing in the video in addition to the "White Male Saviour":<br /><br />Black men and/or people from Africa are inherently violent.<br /><br />Africans are primitive, black, and male. (Until the Westerner intervenes, and then up pop the women--where were they hiding?)<br /><br />and it's OK to objectify these women if it's in the name of peace!<br /><br />Don't get me started on the dancing.lyssenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-72469940063137508762009-09-18T20:58:13.900-07:002009-09-18T20:58:13.900-07:00@Vick said... "I see a Jewish guy, but no whi...@Vick said... "I see a Jewish guy, but no white guys."<br /><br />Are you really that stupid? Jewish guys ARE white guys. It's like saying, I don't see any birds only penguins.gooblyglobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09782587968107641808noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-82401239653968632492009-09-18T18:21:32.417-07:002009-09-18T18:21:32.417-07:00OMG, that video is so racist. It's like so man...OMG, that video is so racist. It's like so many different kinds of wrong rolled into one.<br /><br />Good analysis.Restructurehttp://restructure.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-31391721132826500532009-09-18T14:34:31.712-07:002009-09-18T14:34:31.712-07:00On a serious note, I wonder if this guy's expe...On a serious note, I wonder if this guy's experience as a member of a Jewish family that suffered through the Holocaust is inspiring him to comment on African political violence (Rwanda, Somalia, Darfur, Nigeria, Congo, Zimbabwe etc.)?Vicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-79519384747102540162009-09-18T14:02:20.687-07:002009-09-18T14:02:20.687-07:00Vick, here's an excellent book you clearly nee...Vick, here's an excellent book you clearly need to read:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.amazon.com/How-Jews-Became-White-Folks/dp/081352590X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1253307615&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow"><i>How Jews Became White Folks: And What That Says About Race in America</i></a>, by Karen Brodkin.macon dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07795547197817128339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-21696827657262618632009-09-18T13:59:14.326-07:002009-09-18T13:59:14.326-07:00I've watched the video a couple of times now a...I've watched the video a couple of times now and I'm not seeing any white people in it doing all the evil things described in the post. I see a Jewish guy, but no white guys.Vicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-85383458575109887182009-09-18T11:34:31.856-07:002009-09-18T11:34:31.856-07:00Oh. My. God.
Unbelievable.Oh. My. God. <br />Unbelievable.Juliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02945385659698659077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-80211571117322798722009-09-18T11:13:44.206-07:002009-09-18T11:13:44.206-07:00yeah.. the video is overdone with the tired, clich...yeah.. the video is overdone with the tired, cliched "White Male Savior" theme... however, that is good he's donating all his money to help a noble cause.<br /><br />I guess I really can't hate on him.Sabina E.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14679639206346030919noreply@blogger.com