tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post1542526202430712677..comments2024-03-06T08:29:13.333-08:00Comments on stuff white people do: fail to see wolves in white sheep's clothingmacon dhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07795547197817128339noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-58976354438899562052010-03-31T21:30:28.688-07:002010-03-31T21:30:28.688-07:00I think breakbot missed the most important point o...I think breakbot missed the most important point of the topic s/he brought up. Does anyone else think the failure to see Seung-Hui Cho as a threat might itself involve racism - the refusal to see Asian men as strong, "masculine", or capable of doing anything "individual"? Same old "model minority"...<br /><br />I also must agree with Katherine. The simplest explanation I can find is that PoC have real problems to concern themselves with (i.e. racism), and only white boys have the privilege to dwell in their privileged angsty fantasy worlds out of which so much of the school shooting phenomenon arises.richenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-961457753564127152010-03-31T19:39:32.820-07:002010-03-31T19:39:32.820-07:00breakbot, it is my understanding that most school ...breakbot, it is my understanding that most school shootings have been perpetrated by white men/boys. In that context, Cho was an aberration. I'm afraid that saying he negates wolves in white sheep's clothing is a fallacy.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10124535657213616461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-75634066742626477492010-03-31T16:12:31.520-07:002010-03-31T16:12:31.520-07:00What about Seung-Hui Cho, that dude who killed all...What about Seung-Hui Cho, that dude who killed all those people at Virginia Tech? He had a history of mental instability and was removed from classes due to teachers who felt uncomfortable with the violent subject matter in his creative writing. I agree with all the posts here, but this one, not so much.Breakbotnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-20639013182398624672010-03-06T18:37:22.144-08:002010-03-06T18:37:22.144-08:00So true, just recently in Austin Texas a white man...So true, just recently in Austin Texas a white man flew is play into a federal building because he didnt want to pay taxes.<br /><br />Because I go to school in Austin my mother called to make sure everything was okay. I hadn't gotten word of the incident because I was in class all day. I asked her do they know who the suspect is/was. She said they know his name but they haven't show pictures or given a physical description. I instantly said he is a white man. She laughed and agreed, I told her no seriously if it was any other race of person their picture would have been all over the place.<br /><br />White privileged plays a big role in news coverage...Unekwuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05411358812833083001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-52161070041124986232010-03-04T12:11:07.812-08:002010-03-04T12:11:07.812-08:00On your original question, why white criminals sli...On your original question, why white criminals slip past other white people un-noticed, I see that this theme figures prominently in popular media. I am currently writing about the show, Dexter, where a white guy hides behind his whiteness (white girlfriend/wife, white suburban lifestyle including big house in segregated neighborhood, white sports such as bowling and golf) and commits grisly crimes. I argue that a Black Dexter wouldn't work -- he could not be so anonymous. I'm sure there are other examples, but your post made me think of the stuff I'm working on now. And Dexter, like other white murders, become popular heroes. Weird.AnnaLounoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-58472037767799563152010-02-19T19:33:43.617-08:002010-02-19T19:33:43.617-08:00yeah, i agree about white people being much more d...yeah, i agree about white people being much more dangerous to me than black people-i am actually more cautious around a white man than a black man. most crime is within race, especially violent crime. now, it is true that the only time i have ever been mugged it was by a black guy-but. i was not hurt, just scared. so that was not violent crime, at best, property-and he only got $5. if that's the only time i am victim to crime, i will consider myself very lucky. i am, in fact, most likely to be killed in my own home by an intimate partner, if you take the statistics.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10124535657213616461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-13078811695682609562010-02-19T17:35:13.800-08:002010-02-19T17:35:13.800-08:00Preach it Moi preach on! And to DIMA I hear you th...Preach it Moi preach on! And to DIMA I hear you that topic was covered very well by my 'hero' and favorite def poet Suheir Hammad. Her poem on DefPoets 'first writing since' about 9/11 and all the anti-Arab malice that came with it is on youtube you should check it out.pumpkinnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-83011632592420532202010-02-18T18:44:50.703-08:002010-02-18T18:44:50.703-08:00karinova said...
@M.Gibson,
Oh, no, sorry...karinova said...<br /><br /> @M.Gibson,<br /> Oh, no, sorry; I wasn't clear there. I was trying to agree. I understood that you were quoting Sanchez. (Believe me, I read that baby about 5 times before the brainlock cleared!) My "wtf??" was supposed to mean something like, "that was so patently stupid, I cannot believe he said that! wtf?!"<br /><br />Please forgive me..looks like I went and did the very same thing.<br /><br />"I cannot believe he said that! wtf?!"<br /><br />Bet your jaw dropped as much as mine did when he said that. Thanks so much for your reply.<br />MichaelM. Gibsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15412079628160690200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-63169776093579038842010-02-18T18:05:17.874-08:002010-02-18T18:05:17.874-08:00@M.Gibson,
Oh, no, sorry; I wasn't clear there...@M.Gibson,<br />Oh, no, sorry; I wasn't clear there. I was trying to <i>agree.</i> I understood that you were quoting Sanchez. (Believe me, I read that baby about 5 times before the brainlock cleared!) My "wtf??" was supposed to mean something like, "that was so patently stupid, I cannot believe he said that! wtf?!" <br /><br />Sorry about that.<br />I'm completely on your page with that whole comment— both, now. "Absurd" is exactly the right word. (And maybe also "confounding"!)karinovahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14324280726621881771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-9155960099529074762010-02-18T17:05:37.294-08:002010-02-18T17:05:37.294-08:00Oh and as far as the cartoon/picture at the beginn...Oh and as far as the cartoon/picture at the beginning is concerned, I always think Please God, I hope it wasn't a black person/let it NOT be a black person who committed that crime. Of course relief always washes over me when it is not.<br /><br />So, that cartoon is spot on!Antonia - Beauty Health Finance and Green Issues Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18105675673609631392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-6212127544622845982010-02-18T16:28:34.913-08:002010-02-18T16:28:34.913-08:00karinova said...
@Southern Masala and M.Gibson:
WT...karinova said...<br />@Southern Masala and M.Gibson:<br />WTF?? "one human being— with one grudge directed at one particular group" somehow excludes terrorism??<br />It's best not to "play the semantics game"? How is redefining "terrorist" just so this guy Stack isn't one not fucking with semantics??<br /><br />If you read my post..I was quoting Sanchez verbatim: this was his personal opinions not mine...<br />Please go back and read it again... “Rick Sanchez said this”<br /><br />I put the machine on pause just so that I could get it right. The absurdity of it all was astounding. My point was, he went out of his way- almost breaking his neck NOT to call that white man a terrorist; viewing him solely as an individual. Something whites love to do. That was my angst. <br /><br />I was commenting on the analysts’ state of mind: In his eyes this man is an “Individual” a spaced out wacko, and therefore should be accorded all the rights and privileges his whiteness can extend. That's how these white men see it sitting behind the anchor's desk. <br /><br />"Even when it seems clear to me he has indeed committed an act of terrorism against the IRS." This was my point can you see it now? Maybe I erred in not putting some of this stuff into brackets- or quotation marks, and for that I apologize.M. Gibsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15412079628160690200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-51449108456823700052010-02-18T14:25:56.517-08:002010-02-18T14:25:56.517-08:00Oh wait, what am I saying? Fox News is sure to dec...Oh wait, what am I saying? Fox News is sure to declare this guy a terrorist. Not so much because of what he's done, but because: Obama.karinovahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14324280726621881771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-47102271574766701502010-02-18T14:15:59.331-08:002010-02-18T14:15:59.331-08:00Hmmm....Interesting post.
I have noticed that mo...Hmmm....Interesting post. <br /><br />I have noticed that most of these shooting sprees are usually done by White people who will take guns into schools or shopping centres/malls and just start shooting innocent people at random.<br /><br />I do agree that she is a WHITE terrorist. Also, terrorists come in all colours, same as fraudsters, crooks and scammers.<br /><br />Over here in the UK, I only saw one article about this woman who had previously shot her brother then went on a shooting rampage. If that was anyone of another colour, you would get the story for all day breakfast, lunch, brunch and dinner, all day everyday until the whole population was aware of it.<br /><br />Another one who fits the title of this post is the white woman who all the current evidence shows killed a black guy who won millions on the lottery. This woman was a "person of interest" to the police but they took their time arresting her, even after finding his body under concrete slabs under her boyfriend's house. Had that been the other way round, the outcome would have been quite different from the start.Antonia - Beauty Health Finance and Green Issues Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18105675673609631392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-57591023184392672822010-02-18T14:04:10.721-08:002010-02-18T14:04:10.721-08:00@Southern Masala and M.Gibson:
WTF?? "one hum...@Southern Masala and M.Gibson:<br />WTF?? "one human being— with one grudge directed at one particular group" somehow excludes terrorism?? <br />It's best not to "play the semantics game"? <b>How is redefining "terrorist" just so this guy Stack isn't one <i>not</i> fucking with semantics??</b><br /><br />And yeah: white people who do godawful things are ALWAYS "driven" to it. There's always some "explanation." Because they're fine upstanding stable people, by default. Therefore, something has to have "gone wrong," and dammit, WE WILL FIND OUT WHAT IT WAS! In fact, that is the MOST IMPORTANT thing to be thinking about! We'll <i>invent</i> something, if necessary. It's the IRS! They're so frustrating! They're so unfair! Why they gotta fuck with everybody? They hounded a no-doubt-innocent man into suicide!! That explains it!<br /><br />And yet according to SM's link, whaddayaknow, old boy had his company shut down for... <i>nonpayment of income taxes.</i> For um, the <i>second</i> time. Ten years before, a whole 'nother company of his was shut down for not filing taxes at all. But by all means, let's assume this is all about the IRS, amirite!? He couldn't possibly be a TAX DODGING TERRORIST. (Just like how the Bishop case is all about the grueling tenure system.)<br /><br />Jeez. Two people in the hospital and another missing because of this nutjob, and already the wagons are circling to protect him! And no, I don't want to jump to conclusions on the IRS case. But the news is <i>already</i> jumping to conclusions (it's their nature), and they never seem to jump to "there must be some explanation!" when it's a nonwhite perp. And I WILL confidently make one conclusion, that they don't seem to be able to: <b>this Stack guy was an attempted MURDERER. Period, the end.</b>Calling him a suicide is a (totally unsolicited!) kindness. An attempt at suicide is when you try to kill <i>yourself.</i> This guy made a point of trying to kill other people. That ain't semantics.karinovahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14324280726621881771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-5168131162009347912010-02-18T12:15:56.962-08:002010-02-18T12:15:56.962-08:00Southern Masala said...
"If this guy had bee...Southern Masala said... <br />"If this guy had been Arab, or Muslim, he would have already been declared a suicide bomber, a terrorist, his race and/or religion would have been identified. Regardless of what the suicide note said." <br /><br />Rick Sanchez of CNN says this. A lot of people are saying (on twitter- facebook, and emails sent in to me) I understand this man's anger. No mention of his whiteness..and no mention of the word terrorist. Instead there is sympathy for what drove this white man to such lengths. It could very well be his white skin that’s causing the race-bonding and the solidarity amongst followers of the story online. But oh my Lord, is this had been a man of color. I totally agree!<br /><br />Excuse me- the terrorism aspect was just mentioned by his co-anchor (why aren’t they calling this an act of terrorism?) and Rick said this, “the semantics game is one that we can play till midnight tonight. I think it’s best not to play it when it involves one human being- with one grudge directed at one particular group- or one particular person. The notion of a terrorist act was completely and utterly dismissed by this analyst. This man is an “Individual” a spaced out wacko, and therefore should be accorded all the rights and privileges his whiteness can extend. Even when it seems clear to me he has indeed committed an act of terrorism against the IRS.M. Gibsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15412079628160690200noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-82906204759509346442010-02-18T11:24:41.640-08:002010-02-18T11:24:41.640-08:00http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35460268/ns/us_news-li...http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35460268/ns/us_news-life?GT1=43001<br /><br />Breaking news, someone just crashed a plane into an IRS building in Austin TX. Based on the fact that the media has not yet mentioned his race, I'm going to assume he's white. It appears that he INTENTIONALLY crashed the plane into the IRS building because of his ongoing struggles and dissatisfaction with the American government, and with the IRS in particular. However, Fox News has already put out a statement that the incident was deemed NOT an act of terrorism by the NTSB. <br /><br />If this guy had been Arab, or Muslim, he would have already been declared a suicide bomber, a terrorist, his race and/or religion would have been identified. Regardless of what the suicide note said. <br /><br />I will do the CHICKEN DANCE down the hallway of my office if I see a single media article labeling this guy a suicide bomber or a terrorist. <br /><br />The hypocrisy is astounding.Southern Masalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13247699189672764977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-55844182271927396252010-02-18T11:18:06.671-08:002010-02-18T11:18:06.671-08:00leedevious,
As I explain in the provisional Comme...leedevious,<br /><br />As I explain in the provisional <a href="http://stuffwhitepeopledo.blogspot.com/2010/01/comments-poilicy.html" rel="nofollow">Comments Policy</a>, I sometimes explain in brackets why I rejected a comment, for the sake of the person who submitted the comment. "just throwing this out there" was listed as the Name of the person who wrote the rejected comment; sorry for the confusion.macon dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07795547197817128339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-77124364333958786582010-02-18T11:04:08.898-08:002010-02-18T11:04:08.898-08:00@ macon d
I don't really know what that means...@ macon d<br /><br />I don't really know what that means. And I don't know who you're talking to.practicetesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02483584586930189600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-3935173889414007422010-02-18T10:44:34.718-08:002010-02-18T10:44:34.718-08:00["just throwing this out there," don'...["just throwing this out there," don't be a crybaby, especially about things that aren't true. Go and try to serve that White Whine elsewhere. ~macon]macon dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07795547197817128339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-47227872404961841502010-02-18T10:35:03.949-08:002010-02-18T10:35:03.949-08:00@Bingo,
Oh man, when you're right, you're ...@Bingo,<br />Oh man, when you're right, you're right! And I'd say A and B (affirmative action and "political correctness" through fear) are really one and the same. I have yet to see any mention of affirmative action— even though people are wondering left and right why she wasn't disciplined when students complained. They just <i>can't figure it out;</i> how could this <i>happen??</i><br />_____<br /><br />SWPD: Assume that a white person's future holds more potential than a PoC's (and work to make sure that becomes true).<br /><br />Not like I haven't heard it before, but for some reason, in this case I am angered to the point of tears about the "well, there's no need to ruin another young life over this" re: shooting her little brother in the chest with a damn shotgun. That community-sponsored coverup helped her out every single day for <i>25 years</i>— they literally reached in and rearranged things to ensure that her life would go smoothly. For one thing, she would never have gotten the university job in the first place if they'd handled that correctly. For another, she would probably not have been able to go off in a store screaming "do you know who I am!?" without getting arrested again and adding to her record. For a third, imagine how that pipe bomb investigation might have gone if her record had reflected her, y'know, <i>actual record.</i> It takes a village, indeed.<br /><br />It just makes me <b><i>so. ANGRY.</i></b> that law enforcement et al (everyone, really) is fully aware that tangling with them— for any reason— can ruin your life, and yet that has no effect on actions or attitudes. I saw COPS just last night (ugh), and watched a black man get arrested for no effin reason. Basically the cop got scared— he <i>thought</i> the guy was dangerous, but he wasn't. And when it was determined that he wasn't, he was arrested anyway. Not because he did anything wrong, but because the cop mistakenly <i>perceived</i> danger/resistance— and he admitted as much. I guess the guy just didn't "seem nice," so nobody cares about his future. (<i>What</i> future? PoC have futures?!?) And 25 years later, when he maybe can't get a decent job, nobody's going to put it together. He'll just be another one of "those people" that "we" have done "so much for." Right.karinovahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14324280726621881771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-69366479149808939862010-02-18T09:30:44.532-08:002010-02-18T09:30:44.532-08:00My blood ran cold— and then hot— when I read about...My blood ran cold— and then hot— when I read about the five students who got together and complained about her affect (not effect) in the classroom... and then the one student who was quoted as saying, "whatever, she seemed nice enough." Now, obviously I wasn't there; I don't know exactly what happened. But I couldn't help but think, "white!!" The other students complained about her <i>teaching;</i> this guy felt it wasn't an issue <i>because she seemed "nice."</i> They compared her to the other professors; he seemed to be comparing her to nothing at all. Relative to nothing in particular, she "seemed nice." That got to me because no matter how nice I am, I'm rarely seen as nice. Intimidating? Oh yes! People tell me that all the time. ("When we first met, I was scared of you! Haha, isn't that <i>funny!?"</i> Um... no. Actually, it hurts my feelings, thanks.) The threshold for nice is much higher for brown women.<br /><br />@leedevious,<br />OMG, exactly. I don't know if I'll <i>ever</i> stop grinding my teeth about that. It's right up there with those fools who think chivalry is about women being respected. As if! I think a lot of people are able to escape understanding the concept of "privilege" because of the vocabulary. [It's a rant for another day, but I am so effin pissed about the fact that we anti-ismists are forced to used the clunkiest, most imprecise language. It makes it so easy for people to blow off the concepts. The vocabulary doesn't stick, and I DO NOT believe it's an accident.] As far as her femaleness, you're so right. It was a "reverse privilege" (or whatever term makes sense!)— she got leniency not because women are seen as more valuable or whatever, but the opposite: women's emotions are discounted (she had a public meltdown, but she was prolly just upset; you know how women are); women are seen as incapable (poor thing just doesn't know how to handle a gun); women need to be protected from reality <i>by men</i> (we can't send this delicate flower off to jail!). And as far as intersection, she's a 100% woman, <i>because she's white.</i> Compared to her, I, as a WoC, "aren't a woman."karinovahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14324280726621881771noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-19882027741921225562010-02-18T09:25:29.061-08:002010-02-18T09:25:29.061-08:00@Moi re: "Summary: whites are currently getti...@Moi re: "Summary: whites are currently getting iced more than blacks, and they are doing so at the hands of other whites."<br /><br />And because we see other white people as individuals and not as part of a racial group, we don't see statistics like that as an indicator of anything about white people in general.blogloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01465639610604161309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-1805284058300214952010-02-18T07:58:03.037-08:002010-02-18T07:58:03.037-08:00Would a person of color with that psych profile ha...<i>Would a person of color with that psych profile have also been labeled as "eccentric" and left alone?</i><br /><br />Has <b>any</b> Black person ever been called eccentric by the mainstream media? I don't even think Michael Jackson was ever called that.Angel H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14607884150565499144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-52151523760877462952010-02-18T07:51:40.522-08:002010-02-18T07:51:40.522-08:00Beyond a bunch of crazy anecdotes, where's the...<i>Beyond a bunch of crazy anecdotes, where's the evidence that low levels of white suspicion towards their own kind is leaving a lot of white murderers on the loose?</i><br /><br />Everybody raise your hands if you remember the media speculating that the Oklahoma City bomber was a Muslim terrorist before McVeigh got caught. [raises hand]<br /><br />Raise your hand if you remember Charles Stuart from Boston who blamed an imaginary Black man for his wife's murder. [raises hand]<br /><br />Keep your hands up if you remember Susan Smith. [hand raised]<br /><br />The "runaway bride" who claimed she was abducted by a Hispanic man? [hand still raised; shoulder getting sore]<br /><br />The woman who carved the letter B into her face and said she was assaulted by a Black man?<br /><br />I'd list more examples but I'm losing circulation in my fingers.Angel H.https://www.blogger.com/profile/14607884150565499144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-528074983146803930.post-36154035775358626872010-02-18T07:41:29.359-08:002010-02-18T07:41:29.359-08:00It always rubs me the wrong way when people say wo...It always rubs me the wrong way when people say women have this "privilege". The fact of the matter is PEOPLE DON'T TAKE WOMEN SERIOUSLY. That's why women can get away with things. I'll be glad when women have a harder time getting away with things, because that will mean we are being taken seriously.practicetesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02483584586930189600noreply@blogger.com